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What is the reported incidence of constipation on oral semaglutide in PIONEER-4?

Asked 8 Jul 2024Modified 21 months agoViewed 51k times
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Conditions: constipation · oral semaglutide · PIONEER-4.

The figures are clear enough; the question is what they mean and what they do not.

I can supply the numbers if the specifics change the answer.

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askedbounty_hunter_q15k178 Jul 2024
6Is this new at a stable dose, or did it start after an escalation? – bea_castellanos 6 months ago
5Same experience, and it settled in about ten days at the same step. – oona_kekkonen 4 months ago
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Take it from the PIONEER-4 adverse-event table by arm, and check the unit before you use it. An incidence can be the proportion of participants who reported the event at least once, or the count of events divided by exposure time, and the two differ by however many people had it repeatedly. Then subtract the placebo arm, because the untreated rate is not zero. And read the discontinuation column beside it: an event that made people leave the trial is under-counted at every later visit, so a low late-timepoint incidence can mean the event was severe rather than rare.

Start with the three inputs: fibre grams, fluid volume and physical activity. Most cases resolve on the first two.

Magnesium-containing preparations act osmotically and are widely used; they are a laxative rather than a supplement in this context, and the dose is what makes the difference.

Put another way, adding fibre without adding fluid produces a larger, drier, harder stool and makes the problem worse. The fluid is not optional and is the step people skip.

The fibre-and-fluid relationship in functional constipation is established across intervention studies, and fibre without adequate fluid worsens symptoms.

This one does not attenuate with tolerance. Plan for it rather than waiting it out.

edited 4 Sept 2024 by v_ramaswamy — added the placebo-arm figures

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answered · acceptedv_ramaswamy68k5730 Aug 2024
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Answer first: constipation here is predominantly a reduced-intake problem — less food, less fibre, less fluid — before it is a motility problem.

Stimulant laxatives are effective and are not a first choice for a problem that is going to persist for months, because of tolerance and dependence concerns with regular use.

Physical activity has a modest but real effect on transit time and is free, which makes it worth including even though it will not fix this on its own.

Physical activity has a small measurable effect on colonic transit time in controlled studies.

Long-term stimulant laxative use is a clinical decision rather than a self-management default.

Pain, distension and vomiting together are urgent. That is not constipation.

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answeredper_haugen13k1719 Aug 2024
3This should be linked from the help pages. – bea_castellanos 25 days ago
4Adding a vote because this deserves more of them. – Dr_Rosalind_Achebe 2 months ago
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The honest answer is that this needs an active plan rather than waiting, since it does not usually resolve on its own.

Osmotic agents such as macrogol draw water into the lumen and are the usual first pharmacological step; they work with the mechanism rather than against it.

Specifically, red flags that change this from a management question to a clinical one: no bowel movement for several days with abdominal distension and vomiting, blood in the stool, or unexplained weight loss beyond what is expected.

Research-use compounds are not approved for human use.

25 to 30 grams a day, deliberately planned, because it will not happen by accident.

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answeredivo_paunovic16k2727 Jul 2024
3Any published figure for how long the constipation persists, given it does not attenuate? – laminar_bench 4 months ago
2Worth adding that the area postrema explanation also predicts why it settles. – Dr_Wren_Halliday 2 months ago
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Worth being precise here: adding fibre without adding fluid makes it worse, which is the most common self-inflicted error in this tag.

Soluble fibre — psyllium, oats, legumes — holds water and softens stool. Insoluble fibre adds bulk and speeds transit. In slowed-transit constipation the soluble kind is generally the more useful of the two.

Constipation is reported consistently across the trial programmes in this class, generally at rates below nausea, and does not show the same attenuation over time.

Osmotic first, stimulant reluctantly, and not as a standing arrangement.

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answeredmg_per_ml15k168 Aug 2024
6Same pattern here, and it resolved on the timeline described. – dana_wexler 2 months ago
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In practice, this is the adverse effect that persists longest, because unlike nausea it does not attenuate with tolerance.

Aim for 25 to 30 grams of fibre a day, which requires deliberate planning at a reduced total intake because fibre-rich foods are bulky and satiating exactly when appetite is suppressed.

Fibre and fluid together. Fibre alone makes it worse and that is the commonest mistake.

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answeredDr_Aoife_Brennan20k272 Nov 2024

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Ask PeptideStack is a static archive. Posting is closed, but the norms are worth stating: answer the question that was asked, show your working, cite the trial or the certificate, and say plainly where the evidence runs out.

Not medical advice. Research-use-only compounds are not approved for human use.