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Does a DEXA repeated every three weeks give me an usable lean-mass trend?

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I would like to know what to measure as much as what to do.

Both of these get recommended confidently by different people, which suggests neither is obviously right.

My constraints are cost, measurement resolution and how much handling I am prepared to do — in roughly that order.

What is the actual trade-off, and does it matter at the scale I am working at?

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askedhana_petrikova19k2821 Jul 2025
8Small correction: the units in the third paragraph should be micrograms, not milligrams. – Dr_Tomas_Kral 8 months ago
7Do you have a reference for the last claim? Not disputing it, just want to read it. – forty_two_c 7 months ago
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In practice, start with the arithmetic, because the answer to the practical question is usually a number and the number is usually achievable.

Absolute strength holds up better than scale weight during a deficit for a straightforward reason: strength is substantially neural and skill-based, and the contractile tissue you retain is being trained harder relative to its size. Grip strength and repetition maxima are therefore lagging indicators of muscle loss rather than leading ones, which is an argument for measuring both.

Protein target arithmetic

Body mass1.2 g/kg1.6 g/kg2.0 g/kgPer meal at 1.6 (÷3)
62 kg74 g99 g124 g33 g
74 kg89 g118 g148 g39 g
88 kg106 g141 g176 g47 g
103 kg124 g165 g206 g55 g
124 kg149 g198 g248 g66 g

At roughly 4 kcal per gram, 141 g of protein is about 564 kcal — a substantial fraction of a 900 kcal budget, which is the real constraint.

Put another way, the minimum effective resistance-training dose in a deficit is lower than most programmes assume. Two sessions a week covering the major movement patterns, with loads taken close to failure, is sufficient to retain most of what would otherwise be lost. Volume beyond that adds recovery cost that a large energy deficit is poorly placed to pay.

I would be careful with the supplement literature here; effect sizes are small, the studies are mostly in trained young men, and generalisation to a large deficit is not obviously valid.

The plateau is arithmetic. Treat it as arithmetic and the response follows.

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answeredforty_two_c43k3820 Oct 2025
2Small correction: the units in the third paragraph should be micrograms, not milligrams. – Dr_Malik_Osei 3 months ago
Do you have a reference for the last claim? Not disputing it, just want to read it. – h_pergande 38 days ago
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Worth being precise here: what the data supports is narrower than what gets recommended, so it is worth separating the two.

DEXA precision is better than people assume for fat mass and worse than people assume for lean mass in a single scan — the least significant change for regional lean mass on a well-maintained scanner is on the order of a few per cent. That means two scans three months apart can differ without anything having happened, and it means a scan sequence needs to be at least three points before a trend is interpretable.

On the detail: food noise returning is not obviously tolerance. Receptor desensitisation is one hypothesis; a second is that the initial effect was partly novelty and partly the steep early deficit, and a third is that intake has drifted upward and the signal is being outcompeted rather than weakened. The three make different predictions about what a dose increase would do.

A maintenance plan written before you need it is worth more than a better loss plan.

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answeredDr_Priya_Raghunathan94k2485 Sept 2025
5I tested this on two lots and got the same answer, so at least it reproduces. – shear_at_the_front 7 months ago
6The timing signature is the useful part. Everything else is confounded. – p_mkhize 8 months ago
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A plateau at four to six months is the expected shape of the curve, not a failure of it. Energy expenditure falls with mass, and the deficit closes itself unless intake falls further.

Fibre at very low total intake is a trap. Soluble fibre needs water and motility to work; insoluble fibre adds bulk to a slow transit. At 900 kcal a day with delayed gastric emptying, an osmotic agent is more predictable than a bulking one, and adequate fluid is doing more work than either.

The regain trajectory after stopping is roughly a mirror of the loss trajectory, and it is not primarily a willpower phenomenon. Appetite signalling returns, energy expenditure remains suppressed relative to the original mass, and the two combine. That is an argument for a maintenance plan existing before the stop, rather than an argument against stopping.

The evidence for a higher protein intake preserving lean mass during an energy deficit is reasonably strong in resistance-trained populations and weaker in sedentary ones, with the meta-analytic estimates supporting intakes in the region of 1.6 g/kg over lower intakes when training is present[1].

The caveat is that population averages tell you about populations. Your own trajectory is a sample of one and should be read as a trend, not as a deviation from a published mean.

Measure strength as well as mass. It is cheaper, it is less noisy, and it is closer to what you actually care about.

edited 23 Oct 2025 by Dr_Ilse_Vandenberg — fixed an arithmetic slip in the third paragraph

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answeredDr_Ilse_Vandenberg78k24827 Sept 2025
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Put another way, the mechanism is worth having straight, because it predicts which interventions can work and which cannot.

Cardio does not interfere with lean-mass retention at the volumes anyone here is doing; the interference effect in the literature appears at high concurrent volumes in trained athletes. What cardio does at a large deficit is add to the deficit, which is either the point or a problem depending on the objective.

Train, eat the protein, measure something functional, and give the trend three months before you interpret it.

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answeredDr_Idris_Coulibaly40k1389 Oct 2025
2Do you have a reference for the last claim? Not disputing it, just want to read it. – petra_hovland 7 months ago
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The distinction that resolves this is between proportional loss and functional loss. Losing lean mass in proportion to total mass is what happens in every weight loss intervention. Losing function is not, and function is measurable.

The first four weeks of loss is substantially fluid and glycogen. Each gram of stored glycogen carries roughly three grams of water, and total glycogen is on the order of 400 to 500 g, so the obligatory water shift alone accounts for a couple of kilograms. This is why the first month looks dramatic and the second looks like a plateau when in fact the fat-loss rate has not changed.

Two resistance sessions a week and a protein target you actually hit will do more than any refinement beyond them.

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answeredrukhsana_iqbal14k2816 Sept 2025

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