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How much protein in grams do I need at 62 kg on 900 kcal a day?

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Setup, so nobody has to ask: 62 kg · 900 kcal.

The units are where I keep going wrong, so please be explicit about them.

I have sanity-checked the order of magnitude and it seems right, which is not the same as being right.

How many significant figures are actually justified here?

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askedtri_gly_ala48k385 Dec 2024

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Start with the arithmetic, because the answer to the practical question is usually a number and the number is usually achievable.

DEXA precision is better than people assume for fat mass and worse than people assume for lean mass in a single scan — the least significant change for regional lean mass on a well-maintained scanner is on the order of a few per cent. That means two scans three months apart can differ without anything having happened, and it means a scan sequence needs to be at least three points before a trend is interpretable.

Worth being precise here: the first four weeks of loss is substantially fluid and glycogen. Each gram of stored glycogen carries roughly three grams of water, and total glycogen is on the order of 400 to 500 g, so the obligatory water shift alone accounts for a couple of kilograms. This is why the first month looks dramatic and the second looks like a plateau when in fact the fat-loss rate has not changed.

The evidence for a higher protein intake preserving lean mass during an energy deficit is reasonably strong in resistance-trained populations and weaker in sedentary ones, with the meta-analytic estimates supporting intakes in the region of 1.6 g/kg over lower intakes when training is present[1].

One qualification: none of this is a clinical assessment, and unexplained loss of function rather than of mass is a reason to see someone rather than to adjust a programme.

The plateau is arithmetic. Treat it as arithmetic and the response follows.

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It helps to be literal here: a plateau at four to six months is the expected shape of the curve, not a failure of it. Energy expenditure falls with mass, and the deficit closes itself unless intake falls further.

The minimum effective resistance-training dose in a deficit is lower than most programmes assume. Two sessions a week covering the major movement patterns, with loads taken close to failure, is sufficient to retain most of what would otherwise be lost. Volume beyond that adds recovery cost that a large energy deficit is poorly placed to pay.

Stated carefully, cardio does not interfere with lean-mass retention at the volumes anyone here is doing; the interference effect in the literature appears at high concurrent volumes in trained athletes. What cardio does at a large deficit is add to the deficit, which is either the point or a problem depending on the objective.

The caveat is that population averages tell you about populations. Your own trajectory is a sample of one and should be read as a trend, not as a deviation from a published mean.

Two resistance sessions a week and a protein target you actually hit will do more than any refinement beyond them.

edited 18 Jan 2025 by Dr_Rosalind_Achebe — removed a claim I could not source

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answeredDr_Rosalind_Achebe90k1582 Jan 2025
3Any reason this would differ for a longer peptide? – amara_nwachukwu 33 days ago
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More usefully, the distinction that resolves this is between proportional loss and functional loss. Losing lean mass in proportion to total mass is what happens in every weight loss intervention. Losing function is not, and function is measurable.

Protein target, worked: at 88 kg, a target of 1.6 g/kg is 88 × 1.6 = 141 g per day. Spread across three eating occasions that is roughly 47 g each, and the leucine threshold for a maximal muscle protein synthetic response is met at around 2.5 to 3 g of leucine, which corresponds to roughly 30 to 40 g of a high-quality protein. So three meals at 40 g plus one 25 g snack gets you to 145 g and clears the per-meal threshold each time. On 900 kcal that leaves about 340 kcal for everything else, which is the actual constraint.

Worth being precise here: fibre at very low total intake is a trap. Soluble fibre needs water and motility to work; insoluble fibre adds bulk to a slow transit. At 900 kcal a day with delayed gastric emptying, an osmotic agent is more predictable than a bulking one, and adequate fluid is doing more work than either.

The STEP 1 extension reported substantial regain in the year after treatment withdrawal, with weight and cardiometabolic variables trending back toward baseline[1].

A maintenance plan written before you need it is worth more than a better loss plan.

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answeredtobias_maartens94k25813 Jan 2025
6Two of us worked through this independently and arrived here, so it is at least reproducible. – mz_4113 3 months ago
7Worth adding that the method section is where the answer usually is. – tri_gly_ala 4 months ago
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Specifically, what the data supports is narrower than what gets recommended, so it is worth separating the two.

Absolute strength holds up better than scale weight during a deficit for a straightforward reason: strength is substantially neural and skill-based, and the contractile tissue you retain is being trained harder relative to its size. Grip strength and repetition maxima are therefore lagging indicators of muscle loss rather than leading ones, which is an argument for measuring both.

I would be careful with the supplement literature here; effect sizes are small, the studies are mostly in trained young men, and generalisation to a large deficit is not obviously valid.

Train, eat the protein, measure something functional, and give the trend three months before you interpret it.

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answeredsasha_ferreira15k1625 Jan 2025
The timing signature is the useful part. Everything else is confounded. – w_okoye 2 months ago
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In practice, the mechanism is worth having straight, because it predicts which interventions can work and which cannot.

Hydration state moves a DEXA lean-mass figure directly, because the algorithm assigns water to the lean compartment. Scanning fasted, at the same time of day, before training and without a recent high-carbohydrate day is the difference between a comparable sequence and a noisy one. Bioelectrical impedance is far more sensitive to hydration again, which is why its trend is unusable at this timescale.

SURMOUNT-4 provides the cleanest maintenance-versus-withdrawal contrast available in the class, and it is the reference for any claim about what happens after stopping[1].

Worth stating that a DEXA sequence is only as good as its protocol consistency, and most people’s sequences are not consistent enough to support the conclusions drawn from them.

Measure strength as well as mass. It is cheaper, it is less noisy, and it is closer to what you actually care about.

edited 19 Mar 2025 by kwn_analytical — updated for the 2026 guidance change

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answeredkwn_analytical89k2488 Mar 2025
7I would gently push back on the second point — the evidence there is thinner than stated. – Dr_Bram_Verhoeven 9 months ago
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