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Is resistance training eight times a week enough at 800 kcal a day?

Asked 10 Aug 2024Modified 21 months agoViewed 28k times
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Numbers first: eight · 800 kcal.

I would rather over-plan the first cycle and simplify later.

I am prepared to do the work if someone can tell me which work matters.

What is the minimum version of this that is still defensible?

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askedravi_pillai12k1710 Aug 2024
2Add the protein intake in grams rather than as a percentage. – marta_szymanska 2 months ago
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Eight sessions a week against 800 kcal a day — 5600 kcal for the week — and at that intake the binding constraint is almost never the session count. Protein at 4 kcal per gram is the reason: 100 g a day is 400 kcal, 50 per cent of 800, and 2800 kcal of the 5600 for the week spoken for before anything else is eaten. 8 sessions also has to be recovered from on 800 kcal, and recovery is the first thing an energy deficit takes. Load matters more than frequency here: the stimulus that preserves mass is mechanical tension, so keep the weight and cut the volume rather than the reverse. None of this is medical or dietary advice.

Answer first: the objective in a deficit is retention, not growth, and retention needs load maintenance and adequate volume rather than progression.

Around ten hard sets per muscle group per week is the region where most of the retention benefit is realised; more produces diminishing returns and, in a deficit, a recovery cost.

What each body-composition method measures

MethodMeasuresSensitive toLeast significant change
DEXAThree-compartment by attenuationHydration, positioning~2–3 % regional lean
BIA (consumer)Impedance, modelledHydration, food, temperatureNot usable at this timescale
Air displacementTwo-compartment by densityLung volume, hair, clothing~1–2 % fat mass
Tape and scaleCircumference, massTechniqueSurprisingly usable as a trend

The part that matters: two sessions per muscle group per week outperforms one at matched volume in most of the published comparisons, mainly through better session quality.

Training-to-failure comparisons show similar hypertrophy with substantially greater fatigue when sets are taken to failure rather than near it.

The caveat is that programme design is individual, and anyone with joint, cardiac or metabolic constraints needs a professional rather than a forum.

Ten sets per muscle group per week, twice weekly, loads held. That is most of it.

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answered · acceptedDr_Yusuf_Adeyemi54k14726 Aug 2024
6Small correction: lean mass on a scan is not muscle, which this says and people miss. – Dr_Aoife_Brennan 3 months ago
5The point about protein being hardest to eat exactly when it matters most is well made. – tobias_reint 34 days ago
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On the detail: compound movements give the most stimulus per unit of recovery, which matters more when recovery is the limiting resource.

Training close to failure — one to three repetitions in reserve — is sufficient. Training to failure adds fatigue disproportionately to stimulus and is a poor trade when recovery is constrained.

Beginners retain the ability to gain muscle in a moderate deficit for several months; trained individuals should expect maintenance and be satisfied with it.

Load-matched comparisons show that maintaining intensity preserves strength and lean mass in a deficit better than reducing load and increasing repetitions.

Research-use compounds are not approved for human use and are not a substitute for a training stimulus.

In a deficit, maintaining performance is progression. Reframe it and stop being discouraged.

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answeredruaidhri_o_shea25k276 Sept 2024
7Adding for future readers: same machine, same time of day, or the series is noise. – loss_on_drying 6 months ago
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Start with frequency and total weekly sets per muscle group, because those two variables explain most of the outcome and everything else is refinement.

Session performance is the practical readiness signal. Two consecutive sessions where loads drop at matched effort usually means recovery, sleep or intake rather than programming.

The relevant detail is that protein timing matters far less than protein total, but a serving within a few hours either side of training is a free optimisation.

Published averages conceal wide individual response variation, particularly in older trainees.

Consistency beats optimisation by a margin nobody wants to hear.

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answereddermot_kiely12k1629 Sept 2024
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The relevant constraint is recovery: a deficit reduces recovery capacity, so the sensible adjustment is volume down slightly and intensity held.

Appetite suppression reduces training fuel as well as protein, and low-carbohydrate sessions feel much worse than they perform. Judge by load, not by feel.

Compound movements first, because recovery is the scarce resource.

edited 4 Oct 2024 by ruaidhri_o_shea — added the method parameters

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answeredruaidhri_o_shea25k2718 Sept 2024
8This is the clearest explanation of the plateau arithmetic I have read anywhere. – t_oyelaran 4 months ago
Same experience here, different supplier. – Dr_Colm_Fitzhenry 6 months ago
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This is one of the tags where the evidence is unusually consistent and the arguments are unusually heated.

Load is the retention signal. Reducing weight and adding repetitions preserves the workout and weakens the stimulus, which is exactly backwards for this objective.

Volume dose-response meta-analyses place most of the hypertrophy benefit below about ten to twenty weekly sets per muscle group, with diminishing returns above.

One to three reps in reserve. Failure costs more than it returns here.

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answeredDr_Yusuf_Adeyemi54k14721 Oct 2024
6Thank you — this is the answer I was looking for. – tandem_gradient 2 months ago
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