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Is there any published stability data for mazdutide at minus 20 °C?

Asked 11 Sept 2024Modified 20 months agoViewed 59k times
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Details up front: mazdutide · minus 20 °C.

I would rather be corrected now than propagate something wrong.

I am specifically not interested in a testimonial; I am interested in a measurement.

What would count as evidence here, and does it exist?

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askedvial_five12k1711 Sept 2024
Worth saying whether the vial has been opened, because that starts a different clock. – b_delacroix 3 months ago
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Probably not at minus 20 °C specifically, because that is not where stability programmes take their readings. Accelerated work is conventionally run at 25 °C and 40 °C, with the refrigerated condition as the control, so minus 20 °C sits between or beyond the published points and what you will find is bracketing rather than a measurement. minus 20 °C is 25 kelvin below a refrigerator, and below the glass transition of a lyophilised cake the ten-degree rule of thumb stops applying at all — solid-state chemistry is not slow liquid chemistry, it is a different regime, and the failure modes that survive it are mechanical rather than chemical. Whatever you find, check what was measured before you use it: a paper reporting purity at minus 20 °C has not measured content, and the two fail at different rates for different reasons.

Asparagine and glutamine are the deamidation risk, and methionine is the oxidation risk.

Hydrolysis cleaves the backbone, most readily at aspartate-proline and aspartate-glycine sequences, and is acid-catalysed. In a dry solid it barely proceeds at all.

Degradation pathway by condition

PathwayDominant whenDetected by
DeamidationSolution, neutral to alkaline pHRP-HPLC, +1 Da on MS
OxidationLight, trace metals, peroxidesRP-HPLC, +16 Da on MS
HydrolysisSolution, extremes of pHRP-HPLC, fragment masses
AggregationAgitation, interfaces, high concentrationSEC, visual haze; often invisible on RP-HPLC
Freeze-concentration damageFreeze-thaw of buffered solutionSEC, loss of recovered content

Aggregation is physical: peptides unfold at air-liquid interfaces and associate. Shaking maximises that interface, which is why swirling and shaking produce visibly different outcomes on the same vial.

Deamidation via the succinimide intermediate is well characterised, with sequence-dependent rates highest for asparagine-glycine motifs.

Sequence determines which pathways apply, so general statements are general.

Cold, dry, dark, still. Those four words cover most of the mitigation.

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answered · acceptedfiadh_cronin58k587 Oct 2024
I would add a sentence about light, since tryptophan-containing sequences care. – coldbox9 7 months ago
8Small correction: it is the number of cycles rather than the freezer temperature that does the damage. – lyoph_cake 5 months ago
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Start with the sequence, because which pathways are available depends on which residues are present.

Deamidation converts asparagine or glutamine to the corresponding acid via a succinimide intermediate, adding one dalton. It is base-catalysed, accelerates above neutral pH and is the dominant aqueous pathway for many peptides.

Worth being precise here: adsorption onto glass and plastic is significant at low concentrations — micrograms per millilitre — and negligible at milligrams per millilitre. It is the usual explanation for an apparent loss in a dilute preparation.

Metal-catalysed oxidation of methionine is documented across peptide and protein formulations and is why chelators appear in some formulations.

Sequence decides which pathways are even available. Check the residues.

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answeredtyndall_haze38k3818 Oct 2024
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Answer first: the degradation pathways worth knowing are hydrolysis, deamidation, oxidation, aggregation and adsorption, and each has a different trigger and a different mitigation.

A mass spectrum resolves most of this: minus eighteen is dehydration or succinimide, plus one is deamidation, plus sixteen is oxidation, and an unchanged mass with a shifted retention time is an isomer.

Light exposure matters for tryptophan-containing sequences and for anything with a chromophore. Amber vials and a closed box are free mitigations.

Apparent loss in a dilute preparation is usually adsorption rather than degradation and is worth ruling out first.

At dilute concentrations, suspect adsorption before you suspect chemistry.

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answeredbac_or_bust33k1379 Nov 2024
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The relevant point is that a mass shift of plus one dalton is deamidation and plus sixteen is oxidation, so degradation is often visible in a mass spectrum if anyone looks.

Freeze-thaw cycling drives aggregation through concentration at the ice interface and pH shifts as buffer components crystallise out at different rates. Each cycle costs something.

A mass spectrum names the pathway. Plus one, plus sixteen, minus eighteen.

edited 21 Nov 2024 by meniscus_film — fixed an arithmetic slip in the third paragraph

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answeredmeniscus_film32k2729 Oct 2024
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Answering this needs the physical state, since a dry powder is protected from most of these and a solution is protected from none.

Oxidation targets methionine, cysteine and tryptophan, adding sixteen daltons per oxygen. It is catalysed by trace metals and promoted by dissolved oxygen and by light.

The caveat is that none of these pathways can be seen by looking at a vial, and a clear solution can be substantially degraded.

Swirl, never shake. Aggregation is a handling problem more than a time problem.

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answeredforty_two_c66k582 Dec 2024
4Aliquoting before the first freeze is the advice I wish I had read two years ago. – jonas_ekstrom 8 days ago
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