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What is the reported incidence of vomiting on semaglutide in STEP 3?

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The particulars: vomiting · semaglutide · STEP 3.

I want to understand what this actually establishes, as opposed to what it is being used to imply.

My concern is that I am being invited to draw a conclusion the data does not support.

Which parts of this are informative and which are decoration?

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5How severe, and does anything relieve it? Both matter for what people will say. – Dr_Priya_Raghunathan 3 months ago
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Take it from the STEP 3 adverse-event table by arm, and check the unit before you use it. An incidence can be the proportion of participants who reported the event at least once, or the count of events divided by exposure time, and the two differ by however many people had it repeatedly. Then subtract the placebo arm, because the untreated rate is not zero. And read the discontinuation column beside it: an event that made people leave the trial is under-counted at every later visit, so a low late-timepoint incidence can mean the event was severe rather than rare.

Answer first: vomiting is less common than nausea, is more strongly dose-related, and matters chiefly because of what it does to fluid and electrolyte balance.

Oral rehydration solutions work by glucose-coupled sodium co-transport, which continues to function when secretion is deranged. That is why the glucose-to-sodium ratio matters and a high-sugar sports drink is not equivalent.

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Fluid lost in vomit carries sodium at roughly 60 millimoles per litre and potassium at rather less, so replacing it with plain water alone dilutes plasma sodium rather than restoring balance.

Vomiting rates in the trial programmes are reported separately from nausea and are consistently lower and more dose-dependent.

The caveat is that persistent vomiting is a clinical situation and this is not the place to manage one.

The renal risk here is volume, not toxicity. That is the mechanism to watch.

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answered · acceptedDr_Lena_Ostrowska38k2723 Sept 2024
7Same pattern here, and it resolved on the timeline described. – bufferline42 6 months ago
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Rehydration with an oral rehydration solution is more effective than water and is not the same as a sports drink.

Trial incidence for vomiting runs at roughly a third to a half of the nausea rate depending on agent and dose, and it is more concentrated in the escalation phase than nausea is.

Worth being precise here: warning signs that convert this from a nuisance to a clinical problem: inability to keep fluids down for more than a few hours, reduced urine output, dizziness on standing, confusion, or severe abdominal pain.

Oral rehydration solution composition is standardised by the World Health Organization and rests on glucose-coupled sodium transport.

Do not escalate the dose while this is happening.

edited 6 Nov 2024 by Dr_Priya_Raghunathan — corrected a unit error in the worked example

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answeredDr_Priya_Raghunathan49k13715 Oct 2024
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The relevant risk chain is vomiting to volume depletion to reduced renal perfusion to a rising creatinine, which is how most acute renal events in this class occur.

A practical home formulation is about six level teaspoons of sugar and half a level teaspoon of salt in one litre of water, taken in small frequent sips rather than in volumes that provoke another episode.

Dental enamel erosion from repeated vomiting is a real if unglamorous consequence; rinsing with water rather than brushing immediately is the standard advice.

Small frequent sips of an oral rehydration solution, not large volumes of water.

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answeredcharge_state_316k384 Oct 2024
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Anti-emetics are a clinical decision and not a self-management step.

Repeated vomiting is the mechanism behind most reported acute kidney injury in this class. The renal event is a volume event, not a direct toxicity.

Rinse rather than brush after an episode. Enamel is not replaceable.

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answeredDr_Tomas_Kral53k3812 Sept 2024
8Thank you — knowing this was expected rather than alarming was most of what I needed. – bufferline42 3 months ago
The red-flag list should be higher up the answer, not at the bottom. – Dr_Yusuf_Adeyemi 5 months ago
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The honest answer is that a day of it is unpleasant and that several days of it needs help.

An episode of vomiting several days after a dose, with no escalation and no other explanation, is not the typical pattern and deserves attention rather than tolerance.

If fluids will not stay down for several hours, that is the threshold. Get help.

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answeredDr_Ilse_Vandenberg113k24829 Nov 2024
6Confirming that slowing the titration fixed this rather than any of the other things I tried. – pieter_maas 9 months ago
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