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Why has my grip and absolute strength fallen off a cliff when my DEXA shows almost no lean-mass loss?

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Down 19 kg over seven months on semaglutide. My DEXA says I have lost 1.4 kg of lean soft tissue, which everyone tells me is a good result. But in the gym I am visibly weaker in a way that 1.4 kg does not explain:

  • Deadlift working set was 150 kg x 5, now 120 kg x 5 is a fight.
  • Grip fails first on everything. Rows, farmer carries, even holding shopping bags. Dynamometer at the physio went from 54 kg to 44 kg.
  • Pull-ups went from 11 to 7 despite being 19 kg lighter, which is the one that makes no sense at all.

1.4 kg of lean tissue out of about 62 kg is a 2.3% reduction. My deadlift is down 20% and my grip is down 18%. Those numbers do not reconcile, so either the scan is wrong or strength is not primarily about muscle size, or something else is going on. Which is it?

Protein is tracked at 145-160 g, I am 82 kg now, and I train three times a week. So this is not an obvious under-eating protein story.

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askedsamir_bennani13k1821 Jul 2025
Losing pull-up reps while 19 kg lighter is the most diagnostic detail in this post. – tenth_of_a_unit 8 months ago
8What is your total energy intake and how is your sleep? Both are load-bearing here. – marta_okonkwo 6 months ago
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Nothing is wrong with your scan. Strength is not a function of muscle cross-sectional area alone, and almost every non-size contributor to force production is degraded by a sustained energy deficit. Your numbers reconcile once you account for them.

Decomposing a 20% strength loss

Force output at the barbell is roughly the product of contractile tissue, neural drive, and the mechanical and metabolic conditions of the moment. Attributable causes, in rough order of size for your situation:

  • Neural drive and skill. Maximal voluntary force depends on motor-unit recruitment, firing rate, and inter-muscular coordination. All of these are trainable, all of them are fatigue-sensitive, and all of them decay when you train under chronic under-recovery even if you keep showing up. This is typically the largest single contributor to strength loss in a deficit and it is fully reversible within weeks of restoring energy.
  • Muscle glycogen. Depleted muscle produces less force, particularly on sets above about three reps and particularly for large-mass movements like a deadlift. Going from a full 500 g of stored glycogen to 250 g measurably reduces high-threshold output. Your five-rep deadlift is exactly the kind of effort this hits.
  • Intramuscular water and cell volume. Sarcoplasmic volume contributes to the mechanical stiffness of the force-transmitting apparatus. A dehydrated, glycogen-depleted muscle is a softer spring.
  • Tendon and connective tissue stiffness. Force transmission depends on the series elasticity between muscle and bone. Tendon adaptation is slow and appears to be sensitive to nutritional status. A compliant tendon transmits less of what the muscle generates.
  • Body mass itself. This is the one people forget for the deadlift and squat. Absolute strength scales sub-linearly with body mass, so losing 19 kg genuinely reduces your absolute lifting capacity even with muscle fully preserved. Allometric scaling, using the two-thirds power of body mass, gives a rough estimate:
Expected strength ratio = (new mass / old mass) ^ (2/3)
  = (82 / 101) ^ 0.667
  = (0.812) ^ 0.667
  = 0.87

Predicted deadlift from mass change alone: 150 x 0.87 = 130 kg
You are at 120 kg. Unexplained gap: about 8%.

So more than half of your apparent 20% deadlift loss is a straightforward consequence of being a smaller person, and it is not a loss of anything you want back. The residual 8% is the part attributable to neural drive, glycogen and recovery, and that part is recoverable.

Why grip specifically

Grip is the most sensitive strength measure to systemic state, which is exactly why it is used as a frailty and clinical-outcome marker rather than as a measure of forearm size. Contributors in your case:

  • The forearm flexors are small-mass, high-endurance-fibre muscles with limited glycogen buffering, so they degrade early under low availability.
  • Grip is measured at a single maximal instant with no momentum or technique to hide behind, so it exposes neural drive more directly than a multi-joint lift does.
  • Grip is downstream of total-body arousal: sleep debt, low blood glucose and central fatigue all reduce it acutely. A 10 kg dynamometer drop can be produced by a bad fortnight, not just by seven months.

Retest the dynamometer under good conditions: well slept, fed, warm hands, after a couple of submaximal practice squeezes, best of three, same hand and posture as the original. A meaningful fraction of your 54 to 44 will come back on that test alone. What remains is real.

The pull-up number is the one to act on

Losing 4 reps while shedding 19 kg means your absolute pulling force fell by considerably more than the allometric prediction. That is the signal in your post that is not explained by getting smaller, and it points at either under-recovery or a genuine reduction in upper-body contractile tissue that a whole-body lean number can hide. Ask for the regional breakdown on your DEXA: arms, legs and trunk lean mass are reported separately, and appendicular lean mass is the number that matters. A whole-body figure that is flat can conceal 1 kg lost from the arms and 0.5 kg gained in trunk water.

What I would change

You are eating 145-160 g of protein, so protein is not the problem. The likely problems are total energy and recovery. Concretely: report your total intake, get sleep duration onto a measured basis for two weeks, and try a two-week period at maintenance energy with unchanged training. If most of the strength returns in two weeks, it was never tissue. That is a diagnostic worth running before you conclude anything about muscle loss.

edited 6 Oct 2025 by plate_count_9k — added the placebo-arm figures

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answered · acceptedplate_count_9k95k15816 Sept 2025
3The allometric calculation reframes this entire class of complaint. Most people comparing absolute lifts across a 20 kg weight change are comparing incomparable things. – k_szabo 7 months ago
2Requesting the appendicular breakdown instead of whole-body lean is the right move and most people do not know it is on the report. – esben_lykke 6 months ago
Two weeks at maintenance as a diagnostic is elegant. Cheap, fast, and it distinguishes fatigue from atrophy. – fill_volume 23 days ago
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Adding the practical version of the accepted answer's last point, because "eat at maintenance for two weeks" is easier to prescribe than to execute when appetite is gone.

You do not need to reach true maintenance to run the diagnostic. A partial restoration of carbohydrate alone will separate glycogen effects from tissue effects within 48-72 hours, and it is much easier to do:

Target: +200 g carbohydrate/day above current, for 3 days
  200 g x 4 kcal = 800 kcal/day added
  expected weight gain from glycogen + bound water:
    ~300 g glycogen retained x 4 (self + bound water) = ~1.2 kg
  interpretation: weight up ~1-2 kg with no fat gain

Then retest the same working set. If 120 kg x 5 becomes 132 kg x 5 after three days of carbohydrate, that is a glycogen and hydration story and your muscle is intact. If it moves by nothing, look harder at recovery and at the appendicular scan numbers.

The reason this test is useful rather than merely reassuring: it tells you whether to change your diet or your training. Glycogen-limited strength is fixed by a slightly higher carbohydrate intake on training days. Recovery-limited strength is fixed by sleep and by cutting volume. Actual atrophy is fixed by raising energy and protein and accepting a slower rate of loss. Three different interventions and you cannot pick between them by feel.

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answeredsiobhan_deasy16k265 Sept 2025
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One factor nobody has raised: if you were previously heavy and are now much lighter, your technique on the deadlift has changed whether or not you noticed.

Leverages shift. A smaller abdomen changes the starting hip position and the bar path. Less mass on the torso changes how much bracing pressure you can generate against your own trunk. The wedge you learned at 101 kg is not the wedge that works at 82 kg, and the first few months at a new bodyweight often involve genuinely worse mechanical efficiency at the same neuromuscular capability.

Same applies to the pull-up in a less obvious direction: at 19 kg lighter, the rep is easier per rep, so people reflexively change tempo, range and kip, and the comparison to the old set of 11 is no longer apples to apples. Film a set and compare it to old footage if you have any.

Not a large effect compared to the energy and neural factors, but it is a free few percent and it is worth spending two sessions re-learning your setup rather than assuming everything is physiological.

Grip has a technique component too, and it is the one most often mistaken for capacity. Bar thickness, chalk, sweat, sleeve wear on a knurled bar, and whether you are hooking or using a double-overhand grip all change the load at which your hands fail by considerably more than 18%. If OP moved gyms, changed bars, or stopped using chalk at any point in those seven months, part of the grip complaint is equipment.

The cheap test is to isolate it: hang from a fixed bar for time, same bar, no chalk, no straps, and record the number. That is a grip endurance measure with almost no technique variance and it is repeatable weekly. Combine it with the dynamometer for maximal force and you have two independent grip measures, which is enough to tell an equipment story from a physiological one.

Same principle applies to the deadlift comparison: if the old 150 kg was pulled in lifting shoes on a stiff bar and the current 120 kg is in trainers on a whippy one, those numbers were never comparable. Standardise the test before drawing conclusions from it.

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answeredlinnea_wahlberg14k1825 Aug 2025

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