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Is 20 mg in 1 mL of bacteriostatic water a sensible presentation for liraglutide?

Asked 6 Oct 2024Modified 17 months agoViewed 27k times
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What I am working with: 20 mg · 1 mL · bacteriostatic water · liraglutide.

I would like to set this up properly once, rather than adjust it repeatedly.

My budget is real but not tight, and my tolerance for uncertainty is low.

What should I decide now, and what should I defer?

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askedDr_Signe_Baldursdottir46k386 Oct 2024

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Write the units at every step, because units errors are the failure mode that catches everyone eventually.

Do not use the same needle to pierce the stopper and to administer. The tip is blunted by the stopper, and the hub now contains a dose you are about to lose to dead space anyway.

The rounding error accumulates if you round too many times — rounding concentration to 5.0, rounding the dose volume to 0.1 mL, rounding the unit reading to 10 — and the safest approach is to work the full precision and round only the final answer.

Published data on syringe dead space quantifies low-dead-space designs as retaining under 2 µL against 35 µL or more for conventional detachable-needle syringes.

Do the arithmetic twice, ideally with someone else doing it independently.

edited 18 Feb 2025 by Dr_Otto_Lindqvist — updated for the 2026 guidance change

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answeredDr_Otto_Lindqvist38k382 Feb 2025
8Confirming from the other direction: I did the wrong thing and got exactly the predicted outcome. – Dr_Priya_Raghunathan 2 months ago
Is there a reason to prefer the second method over the first, other than cost? – mass_shift_18 3 months ago
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The arithmetic only stops being confusing once you work it through once and see that it is straightforward.

Dead space quantified: a fixed-needle insulin syringe holds roughly 3 to 5 µL in the hub and needle after the plunger bottoms out. A luer-lock syringe with a detachable needle holds 35 to 100 µL depending on the hub design. At 5 mg/mL that is 15 to 25 µg lost per draw on the insulin syringe and 175 to 500 µg on the luer-lock — which over ten draws is the difference between losing a rounding error and losing half a milligram.

Number of stopper piercings matters less than the gauge doing the piercing. A 30G or 31G needle through a butyl stopper leaves a track that reseals; a 21G or 18G drawing needle punches a core and can drop it into the solution.

The content assay results from major testing services show that nominal vial claim and measured content differ by one to ten per cent, making content a driver of dose error.

One qualification: if your arithmetic and someone else's disagree by a factor of ten, one of you has made a unit error, and writing out the units at every step is the diagnostic.

If in doubt, use more diluent and accept the shorter usable window.

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answeredlyoph_cake95k25819 Dec 2024
3Two of us worked through this independently and arrived here, so it is at least reproducible. – j_wierzbicki 5 months ago
2Worth adding that the method section is where the answer usually is. – Dr_Sara_Kuusela 3 months ago
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This is arithmetic, so let us do the arithmetic rather than argue about it.

Room temperature before drawing is worth the ten minutes. Cold solution is more viscous, draws slower, and condensation on a cold barrel makes it harder to read the meniscus.

Put another way, air bubbles at these volumes are a measurement problem rather than a safety one. A 2 mm bubble in a 0.3 mL syringe is roughly 4 µL, which at 10 units drawn is a four per cent error.

The Arrhenius relationship for drawing kinetics means that cold solution takes noticeably longer to draw than room-temperature solution.

Write the arithmetic on the vial label. It costs nothing and removes the step where you reconstruct it from memory.

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answeredarea_percent13k1811 Jan 2025
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The common error is getting the concentration right but then misreading the syringe scale, which is why checking the barrel marking rather than your memory matters.

Rotation of injection site is a tolerability measure, not a pharmacokinetic one, but if you are going to do it you might as well do it right.

The insulin-unit standard U-100 means 100 units per millilitre, so one unit is 0.01 mL — this is the conversion that trips up more people here than any other single piece of arithmetic.

The limitation is that technique reduces risk, it does not remove it, and nothing you can do outside a controlled environment makes a non-sterile preparation sterile.

Do the arithmetic twice, ideally with someone else doing it independently.

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answeredpip_okonjo11k1630 Dec 2024
6The timing signature is the useful part. Everything else is confounded. – Dr_Sara_Kuusela 2 months ago
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Two people working through the same arithmetic independently should get the same answer, and if they do not, someone has made a unit error.

On filtration: a 0.22 µm syringe filter will remove particulates and organisms, and it will also adsorb a fraction of your peptide onto the membrane — with a low-binding PVDF or PES membrane the loss is typically a few per cent.

Published data on syringe dead space quantifies low-dead-space designs as retaining under 2 µL against 35 µL or more for conventional detachable-needle syringes.

I would flag the obvious failure mode: people get the concentration right, get the volume right, and then read the syringe against the wrong scale.

If in doubt, use more diluent and accept the shorter usable window.

edited 3 Feb 2025 by w_okoye — added the placebo-arm figures

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answeredw_okoye40k13822 Jan 2025

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