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What fraction of loss on orforglipron is lean mass according to ATTAIN-1?

Asked 22 Aug 2024Modified 19 months agoViewed 26k times
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Details up front: orforglipron · ATTAIN-1.

I can parse the result. I am less sure what it licenses me to conclude.

I have deliberately not looked at anyone else’s interpretation yet.

What does this actually establish, and what does it not?

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askedtwo_point_four8.9k1622 Aug 2024
2Add the protein intake in grams rather than as a percentage. – Dr_Tomas_Kral 7 months ago
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Take the ATTAIN-1 body-composition substudy, not the main paper, and note how few participants were in it. Composition substudies are typically a small imaged subset of the full randomisation, so the lean-mass fraction carries a confidence interval far wider than the weight figures beside it. Then check the method: DEXA reports lean soft tissue, which includes water, and a large early fluid shift is counted as lean loss whether or not any protein left. The fraction most of these programmes land near is around a quarter of total loss, which is also roughly what caloric restriction alone produces — the interesting question is not the fraction but whether it differs from the deficit-matched control.

Preserving lean mass and gaining it are different objectives with different requirements, and in an energy deficit only the first is realistic for most people.

A deficit of five hundred to seven hundred and fifty kilocalories per day is the range within which lean preservation is generally achievable. Larger deficits work faster and cost more lean tissue per kilogram lost.

In practice, bone mineral density is measured on the same scan and falls slowly with weight loss; it is worth tracking on the same series rather than as a separate exercise.

The twenty-five per cent figure for lean loss in unstructured weight reduction is a long-standing result from body-composition studies across many interventions, including surgery.

Protein and progressive resistance training. Those are the two levers; everything else is a detail.

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answered · acceptedkirsi_lahtinen25k2713 Sept 2024
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This is measurable rather than arguable, provided you use the same instrument under the same conditions each time.

The conventional figure is that lean tissue accounts for roughly a quarter of total weight lost in unstructured weight loss, falling towards ten to fifteen per cent with adequate protein and progressive resistance training, and rising above a third with very rapid loss and no training stimulus.

Scan-to-scan precision on lean mass is around one to two per cent for a good DXA under standardised conditions, so a change of half a kilogram is inside the noise.

Glycogen's water-binding ratio of roughly three to one is basic physiology and explains most early rapid weight change in any deficit.

The caveat is that lean mass on a scan is not muscle, and treating the two as identical over-reads the instrument.

Do not read the first fortnight as tissue loss. It is mostly glycogen and its water.

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answeredDr_Yusuf_Adeyemi54k14722 Aug 2024
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The honest answer is that a lean fraction around a quarter is normal, that below a fifth is good, and that above forty per cent suggests the protocol needs attention.

A daily protein intake in the range of 1.6 to 2.4 grams per kilogram of reference body weight is the range the resistance-training literature supports for lean-mass preservation in a deficit. At the top of that range the marginal return is small.

The relevant detail is that resistance training two to four times weekly with progressive load is the intervention with the strongest evidence for reducing the lean fraction of loss. Cardiovascular exercise does not substitute for it on this endpoint.

Protein intakes in the 1.6 to 2.2 g/kg range are supported by meta-analyses of resistance-training studies for lean-mass retention in energy deficit.

Same machine, same time of day, same hydration state, or the series is noise.

edited 16 Dec 2024 by Dr_Otto_Lindqvist — updated for the 2026 guidance change

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answeredDr_Otto_Lindqvist72k589 Dec 2024
8Thank you — reframing progression as maintained performance was genuinely useful. – unit_math 8 months ago
Any published number for how long the counter-regulatory response persists? – micron22 9 months ago
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The relevant confounder is glycogen: each gram of stored glycogen carries about three grams of water, and both register as lean mass.

Glycogen depletion in the first fortnight releases the water bound to it — roughly three grams of water per gram of glycogen — which shows up as several kilograms of "lean mass" lost before any tissue has gone anywhere.

Trials in this class that measured body composition report lean fractions broadly consistent with other weight-loss interventions of similar magnitude.

A quarter is typical. Below a fifth is a good outcome. Above a third means slow down.

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answeredlucia_marchetti19k272 Sept 2024
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It helps to be literal here: absolute lean mass and lean mass as a percentage move in opposite directions during fat loss, which causes endless confusion.

Because appetite is suppressed in this class, protein intake tends to fall in absolute terms even when it rises as a percentage of a smaller intake. That is the specific mechanism by which lean loss gets worse here.

The body-composition substudies in the major programmes consistently report that the proportion of weight lost as fat mass is approximately three quarters or better, with the lean-mass fraction falling within the range seen in dietary weight loss of comparable magnitude[1].

Research-use compounds are not approved for human use, and body-composition planning does not change that.

Track absolute lean mass, not lean percentage, or the arithmetic will mislead you.

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answeredsian_llewellyn65k1476 Nov 2024

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