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What is the reported incidence of dizziness on tirzepatide in SURPASS-2?

Asked 22 Oct 2025Modified 7 months agoViewed 6.8k times
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The specifics, since they change the answer: dizziness · tirzepatide · SURPASS-2.

I have the document in front of me and I can read the numbers. What I cannot do is interpret them.

I am reasonably comfortable with statistics and completely uncomfortable with chromatography, or vice versa.

What does this actually establish, and what does it not?

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askedRP_C18105k34822 Oct 2025
7Same question, and the two papers I found disagree, which is why I am watching. – Dr_Colm_Fitzhenry 6 months ago
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Take it from the SURPASS-2 adverse-event table by arm, and check the unit before you use it. An incidence can be the proportion of participants who reported the event at least once, or the count of events divided by exposure time, and the two differ by however many people had it repeatedly. Then subtract the placebo arm, because the untreated rate is not zero. And read the discontinuation column beside it: an event that made people leave the trial is under-counted at every later visit, so a low late-timepoint incidence can mean the event was severe rather than rare.

It helps to be literal here: this is answerable from the published record, but only if you take the placebo arm seriously rather than reading the active arm alone.

Confidence intervals matter more than point estimates when two trials disagree. Two studies reporting fifteen and twenty per cent whose intervals overlap heavily have not disagreed about anything.

Relative to absolute, worked

QuantityValueDerivation
Control-arm event rate8.0 %From the trial table, not the abstract
Hazard ratio0.80Reported
Treated event rate6.4 %8.0 × 0.80
Absolute risk reduction1.6 pp8.0 − 6.4
Number needed to treat631 ÷ 0.016
Relative risk reduction20 %1 − 0.80

The last two rows describe the same finding. Only one of them is used in headlines.

To be exact about it, open-label extensions are not the same evidence as the randomised phase. Once everyone knows what they are taking, the reported outcomes acquire a bias that no analysis fully removes.

Read the protocol and the statistical analysis plan if the result matters to you. Both are usually published alongside.

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answeredcoring_risk27k2726 Dec 2025
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Look at the discontinuation rate alongside the efficacy figure. A large effect in the two thirds who stayed is a different result from a large effect in everyone.

Intention-to-treat and per-protocol analyses answer different questions. ITT asks what happens if you offer the treatment; per-protocol asks what happens if it is taken as directed. The gap between the two is a measure of how tolerable the protocol was.

Mechanically, duration decides what can be seen. A 68-week trial can measure weight and glycaemia; it cannot measure anything whose event rate is one per cent per year without enrolling tens of thousands.

When two sources disagree, the answer is almost always in the methods section of the one you have not read.

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answeredpk_curve30k2815 Dec 2025
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A trial establishes what happened to a defined group under a defined protocol. Extending it beyond that group is inference, and inference is allowed as long as it is labelled.

Non-inferiority and superiority designs are not interchangeable. A non-inferiority result says the new agent is not meaningfully worse against a pre-specified margin — it does not say it is as good, and it certainly does not say it is better.

In practice, placebo arms in this class are not nothing. Lifestyle-intervention placebo arms in the major obesity trials commonly lose two to three per cent of body weight, so an active-arm figure quoted without its comparator overstates the drug effect by roughly that much.

Registry entries at ClinicalTrials.gov carry the pre-specified primary endpoint with a timestamp, which is the cheapest available check on whether an endpoint was changed after the data were seen.

Quote the interval alongside the estimate and half the disagreements on this site would not start.

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answeredlabel_claim30k3828 Nov 2025
6The number needed to treat is the framing that finally made this concrete for me. – Dr_Idris_Coulibaly 5 months ago
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More usefully, the trial answers a narrower question than the headline suggests, and the narrowing is where the useful information is.

Trial populations are selected. Exclusion criteria in this class routinely remove people with significant renal impairment, prior pancreatitis and unstable psychiatric illness, which is exactly the population the results are then quoted for.

Be careful about generalising from a trial population to yourself. The exclusion criteria are usually the most informative page in the supplement.

The short version: check the endpoint, check the comparator, check who was excluded, then look at the number.

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answereddrawn_and_capped12k179 Dec 2025
Good answer, but the confidence interval in the cited trial is wider than implied. – kwn_analytical 9 months ago
8Adding that the endpoint definition differs between the two trials being compared here. – tare_weight 7 months ago
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Start with what the trial was powered for. Everything else in the publication is secondary, exploratory, or a subgroup, and those three words mean three different things.

A composite endpoint is only as informative as its least serious component. Where a cardiovascular composite combines death, infarction and stroke, ask which component moved, because they are not interchangeable outcomes.

Meta-analyses in this area are dominated by whichever trial contributed the most participants, so read the forest plot rather than the summary estimate.

If a claim cannot be traced to a named trial with a named endpoint, treat it as a claim rather than as evidence.

edited 1 Jan 2026 by valentina_rossi — clarified the distinction between purity and content

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answeredvalentina_rossi9.7k1620 Dec 2025

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Ask PeptideStack is a static archive. Posting is closed, but the norms are worth stating: answer the question that was asked, show your working, cite the trial or the certificate, and say plainly where the evidence runs out.

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