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What is the thermal exposure on a Shanghai to Canada lane in summer?

Asked 3 May 2024Modified 2.0 years agoViewed 43k times
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Conditions: Shanghai · Canada.

I have read the primary source rather than the summary, which has left me with more questions.

I understand the headline. I do not understand the footnotes, and the footnotes look important.

What would I need in addition before this supported a decision?

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askedmala_venkatesh22k373 May 2024
Same situation here, so I will follow this one. – eighty_six_hours 37 days ago
2Is the material lyophilised or already in solution? Completely different answer. – claudia_ferrante 3 months ago
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The short version: a spent cold pack on arrival is expected, the solid does not mind, and the pack was never going to last twelve days.

A pack that arrived hard tells you about the last day of transit only, since it will have melted and, if the ambient dropped, partially refrozen.

It helps to be literal here: anything shipped in solution is a different risk category, because hydrolysis and deamidation proceed in the aqueous phase and are strongly temperature-dependent.

Arrhenius kinetics predict approximately a doubling of degradation rate per ten-degree rise and are the standard basis for cold-chain design.

Buy a logger if you actually want to know. Everything else is inference.

edited 15 Jun 2024 by lyoph_cake — updated for the 2026 guidance change

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answered · acceptedlyoph_cake78k26717 May 2024
5I would add a sentence about light, since tryptophan-containing sequences care. – Dr_Nadia_Farsi 3 months ago
6Does the same reasoning apply to material already in solution, or is that a different curve? – ten_mg_vial 4 months ago
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Answering this needs the transit duration and the ambient temperature, and then the arithmetic is straightforward.

A single phase-change pack in a thin-walled box holds below ten degrees for roughly one to two days at twenty-five degrees ambient, and under a day at thirty-five. On a nine-to-fourteen-day lane the material is at ambient for most of the journey whatever was packed with it.

The part that matters: a single-use temperature logger costs a few pounds, records the whole journey and converts an argument into a record. If the history matters, this is the answer.

Single-use temperature loggers are standard practice in supply chains where temperature genuinely matters and are inexpensive at parcel scale.

Solutions are a different question and deserve the worry the solids get.

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answeredforty_two_c66k5828 May 2024
2Adding a vote because this deserves more of them. – ilaria_bertone 9 months ago
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This is where the anxiety in this hobby is most out of proportion to the chemistry.

Once the parcel arrives, the domestic leg is the controllable part: get it into the refrigerator promptly rather than leaving it in a warm hallway for a day.

Concretely, asking a supplier to hold a shipment during a heatwave is reasonable and the better ones agree; the cost is a week and the benefit is a shorter warm exposure for anything in solution.

A liquefied pack is expected. It is not evidence of a problem.

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answeredfelix_araya6.8k168 Jun 2024
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Put another way, if temperature history matters to you, buy a data logger. It is the only way to know.

That is the argument for shipping lyophilised rather than for shipping colder. A dry powder with low residual moisture is stable at ambient for months; the pathways that matter need water.

Solid-state stability of lyophilised peptides at ambient temperature is documented in formulation studies with residual moisture as the dominant variable.

Lyophilised tolerates the lane. That is the answer for almost every order.

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answeredmarta_okonkwo190k25819 Jun 2024
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The honest answer is that the cold pack is doing much less than people think and that shipping lyophilised is what actually protects the material.

Arrhenius behaviour means the degradation rate roughly doubles per ten degrees. A week at thirty degrees is therefore a meaningful exposure for a solution and an immaterial one for a dry solid.

Nothing here is medical advice, and research-use compounds are not approved for human use.

The domestic leg is the part you control. Refrigerate it promptly.

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answereda_lindgren58k24831 Jul 2024
4The doubling-per-ten-degrees rule is the part I did not know and now use constantly. – meniscus_film 9 months ago
5Any published figure for how much a collapsed cake actually retains? – coldpack_88 33 days ago
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