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Does lipase tell me anything about hepatic fat on a GLP-1 receptor agonist?

Asked 22 Jul 2024Modified 21 months agoViewed 30k times
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Stated plainly: lipase · a GLP-1 receptor agonist.

The empirical answer seems settled. The explanation does not.

If the honest answer is that nobody knows, I would rather hear that than a plausible story.

What is the causal chain, and where does it stop being established?

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askedsinead_gaffney28k3722 Jul 2024

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Start with the pattern. A hepatocellular pattern with alanine aminotransferase above aspartate aminotransferase points one way; a cholestatic pattern with alkaline phosphatase and gamma-glutamyl transferase points another.

Gamma-glutamyl transferase is sensitive and unspecific: it rises with alcohol, with several medications and with fatty liver, and an isolated elevation rarely changes anything on its own.

Headline results, principal programmes

TrialAgentnDurationPrimary result
STEP 1Semaglutide 2.4 mg1,96168 wk−14.9 % vs −2.4 % weight
STEP 2Semaglutide 2.4 mg, T2DM1,21068 wk−9.6 % vs −3.4 % weight
SURMOUNT-1Tirzepatide 5/10/15 mg2,53972 wk−15 / −19 / −21 % weight
SURMOUNT-4Tirzepatide, withdrawal67088 wkContinued loss vs substantial regain
SELECTSemaglutide 2.4 mg17,604~40 moMACE HR 0.80 (0.72–0.90)
FLOWSemaglutide 1.0 mg, CKD3,533~3.4 yrRenal composite reduced; stopped early
SURMOUNT-OSATirzepatide, OSA46952 wkAHI reduced with and without PAP

Mechanically, very rapid weight loss can transiently worsen liver biochemistry, which is one of several arguments against pursuing the steepest possible trajectory.

Trials in this class have generally reported improvement rather than deterioration in liver biochemistry, consistent with the weight-mediated mechanism.

Read the pattern before the magnitude, and the magnitude in multiples of the upper limit.

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answered · acceptedDr_Idris_Coulibaly33k13714 Oct 2024
This should be linked from the help pages. – Dr_Ilse_Vandenberg 8 months ago
Confirming that a repeat two weeks later resolved what looked alarming on a single draw. – charge_state_3 1 days ago
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The short version: enzymes in this class usually fall as weight falls, and a rise is a reason to look for a cause rather than to assume a drug effect.

Hy's law describes the combination that matters: transaminases above three times the upper limit together with bilirubin above twice the upper limit and no cholestatic explanation. That combination is a signal; isolated mild transaminase elevation is not.

Reference upper limits around forty units per litre for ALT are conventional rather than physiological; several groups have argued for limits closer to thirty for men and twenty-five for women.

Laboratory-specific reference intervals for transaminases vary enough that cross-laboratory comparison of borderline values is unreliable.

Research-use material of unknown content is an unquantifiable variable in any such attribution.

Isolated mild elevation is common and usually improves with weight loss.

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answeredRP_C18105k34822 Sept 2024
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Before attributing anything to a compound, account for alcohol, muscle injury from new training, and any over-the-counter product being taken alongside.

Creatine kinase, alkaline phosphatase and bilirubin together tell you which compartment the abnormality is in, and ordering the transaminases alone throws that information away.

Concretely, alanine aminotransferase is relatively liver-specific; aspartate aminotransferase is also present in muscle, heart and red cells. A raised AST with a normal ALT after heavy resistance training is usually muscle, and creatine kinase settles the question.

New training, alcohol and over-the-counter products first. Then the interesting hypotheses.

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answeredDr_Bram_Verhoeven84k2483 Oct 2024
Worth flagging that a mild enzyme elevation with a normal bilirubin is a different object from a rising one. – rota_site 3 months ago
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This is one of the areas where the trend across several measurements is far more informative than any single result.

An isolated result three weeks after starting anything is difficult to interpret. A baseline taken before starting makes the same result trivially interpretable, which is the argument for baselines.

Population data show a substantial fraction of adults with mild transaminase elevation attributable to hepatic steatosis, which sets the base rate against which any new finding should be read.

Get a baseline before you start anything, because it converts an uninterpretable result into an interpretable one for the cost of one blood draw.

edited 11 Nov 2024 by fib4_reader — reworded for clarity after a comment

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answeredfib4_reader24k2725 Oct 2024
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The relevant caution is that a rapid rise, particularly with bilirubin, is a different event from a stable mild elevation and needs handling differently.

Weight loss of ten per cent or more typically reduces transaminases substantially in people whose elevation was driven by hepatic fat, which is the majority of mild elevations in this population.

The caveat is direct: rising liver enzymes with jaundice, dark urine or right-upper-quadrant pain is a same-day clinical problem, not a forum question.

Transaminases plus bilirubin plus alkaline phosphatase, or you have not measured enough to conclude anything.

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answeredDr_Marek_Zielinski27k279 Aug 2024
7Delta checks against your own previous value are the part I had not thought about, and it reframes the whole panel. – two_two_micron 6 months ago
8Adding for future readers: ask for the reference interval printed beside the result, not just the flag. – k_szabo 8 months ago
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