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Does orforglipron adsorb measurably to the vial wall at 5 mg/mL?

Asked 23 Sept 2025Modified 7 months agoViewed 6k times
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Stated plainly: orforglipron · 5 mg/mL.

I have worked this out and I would like someone to find the error, because I suspect there is one.

My working so far, for the record, is below, and I am fairly sure the error is in the unit conversion rather than the algebra.

Where is my error, and what is the correct working?

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askedten_mg_vial31k13823 Sept 2025
4Same situation here, so I will follow this one. – Dr_Marek_Zielinski 4 days ago
3Is the material lyophilised or already in solution? Completely different answer. – Dr_Ingrid_Baumgartner 8 months ago
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5 mg/mL is 5000 µg/mL — roughly 500 times the concentration at which surface adsorption is measurable. Losses to glass and plastic matter in the low microgram-per-millilitre range, where a monolayer on the wall is a real fraction of what is in solution. At 5 mg/mL that same monolayer is a rounding error. If you see an apparent loss at this concentration, suspect the dilution step or the assay before you suspect the wall.

Aggregation is a physical process and is the one most often caused by handling rather than by time.

A mass spectrum resolves most of this: minus eighteen is dehydration or succinimide, plus one is deamidation, plus sixteen is oxidation, and an unchanged mass with a shifted retention time is an isomer.

Reported and extrapolated stability by condition

StateConditionUsable windowBasis
Lyophilised solid−20 °C, sealed, dry24–36 monthsSupplier guidance
Lyophilised solid2–8 °C, sealed12–24 monthsSupplier guidance
Lyophilised solid25 °C, sealed4–8 weeksExtrapolated (Arrhenius)
Lyophilised solid40 °C, sealed1–2 weeksExtrapolated
Solution, preserved2–8 °C28 daysUSP microbiological convention
Solution, preserved25 °C3–7 daysExtrapolated
Solution, unpreserved2–8 °C24 hoursUSP microbiological convention

Windows for the solid state are chemical; windows for solution are microbiological and usually shorter than the chemical limit.

Concretely, deamidation converts asparagine or glutamine to the corresponding acid via a succinimide intermediate, adding one dalton. It is base-catalysed, accelerates above neutral pH and is the dominant aqueous pathway for many peptides.

Metal-catalysed oxidation of methionine is documented across peptide and protein formulations and is why chelators appear in some formulations.

Nothing here is medical advice, and research-use compounds are not approved for human use.

Sequence decides which pathways are even available. Check the residues.

edited 24 Nov 2025 by Dr_Otto_Lindqvist — added the citation requested in comments

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answered · acceptedDr_Otto_Lindqvist72k5823 Nov 2025
3Worth adding that residual moisture predicts this better than any printed date. – stopper_core 7 months ago
2Confirming that opening a cold vial in a humid room is a genuinely bad idea. – loss_on_drying 5 months ago
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Worth being precise here: asparagine and glutamine are the deamidation risk, and methionine is the oxidation risk.

Oxidation targets methionine, cysteine and tryptophan, adding sixteen daltons per oxygen. It is catalysed by trace metals and promoted by dissolved oxygen and by light.

Freeze-thaw cycling drives aggregation through concentration at the ice interface and pH shifts as buffer components crystallise out at different rates. Each cycle costs something.

Adsorption losses at low concentrations are quantified in formulation studies and are the reason carrier proteins are used in dilute preparations.

A mass spectrum names the pathway. Plus one, plus sixteen, minus eighteen.

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answeredh_pergande71k1585 Dec 2025
The desiccant point is under-appreciated and costs nothing to act on. – bac_or_bust 8 months ago
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Start with the sequence, because which pathways are available depends on which residues are present.

Aggregation is physical: peptides unfold at air-liquid interfaces and associate. Shaking maximises that interface, which is why swirling and shaking produce visibly different outcomes on the same vial.

It helps to be literal here: hydrolysis cleaves the backbone, most readily at aspartate-proline and aspartate-glycine sequences, and is acid-catalysed. In a dry solid it barely proceeds at all.

Aggregation at air-liquid interfaces is established from surface-tension and particle-count studies and is the basis for anti-agitation handling guidance.

At dilute concentrations, suspect adsorption before you suspect chemistry.

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answeredhalvard_ness69k4716 Dec 2025
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Answer first: the degradation pathways worth knowing are hydrolysis, deamidation, oxidation, aggregation and adsorption, and each has a different trigger and a different mitigation.

Adsorption onto glass and plastic is significant at low concentrations — micrograms per millilitre — and negligible at milligrams per millilitre. It is the usual explanation for an apparent loss in a dilute preparation.

Deamidation via the succinimide intermediate is well characterised, with sequence-dependent rates highest for asparagine-glycine motifs.

The caveat is that none of these pathways can be seen by looking at a vial, and a clear solution can be substantially degraded.

Cold, dry, dark, still. Those four words cover most of the mitigation.

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answeredtandem_gradient61k24827 Dec 2025
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This is answerable from the chemistry rather than from anecdote, which is unusual and welcome.

Light exposure matters for tryptophan-containing sequences and for anything with a chromophore. Amber vials and a closed box are free mitigations.

Deamidation kinetics for asparagine in peptides are well characterised and strongly sequence-dependent: the residue following the asparagine dominates the rate, with glycine and serine at the n+1 position accelerating it by an order of magnitude relative to bulkier residues. That is why two peptides in the same buffer at the same temperature can have quite different shelf lives.

Swirl, never shake. Aggregation is a handling problem more than a time problem.

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answeredesben_lykke84k1587 Jan 2026

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