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Does triglycerides tell me anything about hepatic fat on survodutide?

Asked 4 Jun 2025Modified 10 months agoViewed 9.4k times
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Details up front: triglycerides · survodutide.

I would like the mechanism, because I want to be able to reason about the cases nobody has written about.

I have tried to reason it out from first principles and got to two contradictory conclusions.

What is actually going on here, physically?

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askedlabel_claim30k384 Jun 2025

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The short version: enzymes in this class usually fall as weight falls, and a rise is a reason to look for a cause rather than to assume a drug effect.

Reference upper limits around forty units per litre for ALT are conventional rather than physiological; several groups have argued for limits closer to thirty for men and twenty-five for women.

Relative to absolute, worked

QuantityValueDerivation
Control-arm event rate8.0 %From the trial table, not the abstract
Hazard ratio0.80Reported
Treated event rate6.4 %8.0 × 0.80
Absolute risk reduction1.6 pp8.0 − 6.4
Number needed to treat631 ÷ 0.016
Relative risk reduction20 %1 − 0.80

The last two rows describe the same finding. Only one of them is used in headlines.

Hy's law describes the combination that matters: transaminases above three times the upper limit together with bilirubin above twice the upper limit and no cholestatic explanation. That combination is a signal; isolated mild transaminase elevation is not.

Hy's law and its variants are the standard framework for identifying drug-induced liver injury in trials and are why bilirubin is measured alongside transaminases rather than instead.

Isolated mild elevation is common and usually improves with weight loss.

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answered · acceptedDr_Idris_Coulibaly33k13721 Sept 2025
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Stated carefully, reference intervals for alanine aminotransferase differ between laboratories and have been revised downward over time, so the same value can be normal on one report and elevated on another.

Alanine aminotransferase is relatively liver-specific; aspartate aminotransferase is also present in muscle, heart and red cells. A raised AST with a normal ALT after heavy resistance training is usually muscle, and creatine kinase settles the question.

Gamma-glutamyl transferase is sensitive and unspecific: it rises with alcohol, with several medications and with fatty liver, and an isolated elevation rarely changes anything on its own.

Attributing an enzyme change to a compound requires a baseline, and most people asking have not got one.

Transaminases plus bilirubin plus alkaline phosphatase, or you have not measured enough to conclude anything.

edited 23 Sept 2025 by lipid_panel_q — added the method parameters

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answeredlipid_panel_q36k12710 Sept 2025
This should be linked from the help pages. – ilaria_bertone 6 months ago
2Worth flagging that a mild enzyme elevation with a normal bilirubin is a different object from a rising one. – e_dziedzic 8 months ago
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Answer first: mild transaminase elevation is common in this population before any drug is involved, and the usual cause is hepatic steatosis rather than anything acute.

Weight loss of ten per cent or more typically reduces transaminases substantially in people whose elevation was driven by hepatic fat, which is the majority of mild elevations in this population.

To be exact about it, creatine kinase, alkaline phosphatase and bilirubin together tell you which compartment the abnormality is in, and ordering the transaminases alone throws that information away.

New training, alcohol and over-the-counter products first. Then the interesting hypotheses.

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answeredDr_Bram_Verhoeven84k24829 Aug 2025
4Minor: haemolysis inflates potassium enough to cause a fright over what is a handling artefact. – amara_nwachukwu 7 months ago
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The honest answer is that mild elevation is very common, that it usually improves with weight loss, and that the exceptions are the reason anyone checks.

Very rapid weight loss can transiently worsen liver biochemistry, which is one of several arguments against pursuing the steepest possible trajectory.

Laboratory-specific reference intervals for transaminases vary enough that cross-laboratory comparison of borderline values is unreliable.

Nothing here is medical advice. An abnormal result needs somebody who can take a history and examine you.

Read the pattern before the magnitude, and the magnitude in multiples of the upper limit.

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answeredmarta_okonkwo190k25818 Aug 2025
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This is one of the areas where the trend across several measurements is far more informative than any single result.

An isolated result three weeks after starting anything is difficult to interpret. A baseline taken before starting makes the same result trivially interpretable, which is the argument for baselines.

The caveat is direct: rising liver enzymes with jaundice, dark urine or right-upper-quadrant pain is a same-day clinical problem, not a forum question.

Get a baseline before you start anything, because it converts an uninterpretable result into an interpretable one for the cost of one blood draw.

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answeredsamir_bennani15k277 Jul 2025
Thank you — this is the answer I was looking for. – syringe_ninety 8 months ago
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