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How comparable are a GLP-1 receptor agonist and cagrilintide on the evidence available?

Asked 22 May 2024Modified 23 months agoViewed 57k times
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What I have: a GLP-1 receptor agonist · cagrilintide.

I have used one of these for a while and I am considering switching, which requires a reason.

What I care about is reproducibility, because a result I cannot repeat is not useful to me.

Which axes does this decision turn on?

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askedelke_brunner17k2822 May 2024
Is this the randomised phase or the open-label extension? – lukas_sedlacek 2 months ago
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Put another way, a trial establishes what happened to a defined group under a defined protocol. Extending it beyond that group is inference, and inference is allowed as long as it is labelled.

Confidence intervals matter more than point estimates when two trials disagree. Two studies reporting fifteen and twenty per cent whose intervals overlap heavily have not disagreed about anything.

A composite endpoint is only as informative as its least serious component. Where a cardiovascular composite combines death, infarction and stroke, ask which component moved, because they are not interchangeable outcomes.

The cardiovascular outcome programme in this class runs to several large randomised trials — LEADER for liraglutide, SUSTAIN-6 and SELECT for semaglutide, REWIND for dulaglutide — and they are the reason the class is discussed as more than a weight intervention.

Read the protocol and the statistical analysis plan if the result matters to you. Both are usually published alongside.

edited 13 Aug 2024 by Dr_Ingrid_Baumgartner — expanded the table to cover the lower concentration

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answered · acceptedDr_Ingrid_Baumgartner73k5830 Jul 2024
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This is answerable from the published record, but only if you take the placebo arm seriously rather than reading the active arm alone.

Intention-to-treat and per-protocol analyses answer different questions. ITT asks what happens if you offer the treatment; per-protocol asks what happens if it is taken as directed. The gap between the two is a measure of how tolerable the protocol was.

Worth being precise here: duration decides what can be seen. A 68-week trial can measure weight and glycaemia; it cannot measure anything whose event rate is one per cent per year without enrolling tens of thousands.

The caveat is that trial evidence is about licensed product administered under supervision. None of it transfers automatically to research-grade material of unverified content.

The short version: check the endpoint, check the comparator, check who was excluded, then look at the number.

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answeredfiadh_cronin58k5810 Aug 2024
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Start with what the trial was powered for. Everything else in the publication is secondary, exploratory, or a subgroup, and those three words mean three different things.

Trial populations are selected. Exclusion criteria in this class routinely remove people with significant renal impairment, prior pancreatitis and unstable psychiatric illness, which is exactly the population the results are then quoted for.

Open-label extensions are not the same evidence as the randomised phase. Once everyone knows what they are taking, the reported outcomes acquire a bias that no analysis fully removes.

Registry entries at ClinicalTrials.gov carry the pre-specified primary endpoint with a timestamp, which is the cheapest available check on whether an endpoint was changed after the data were seen.

If a claim cannot be traced to a named trial with a named endpoint, treat it as a claim rather than as evidence.

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answeredcoring_risk27k272 Sept 2024
The exclusion criteria are the most informative page in the supplement and nobody reads them. – ten_mg_vial 5 months ago
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Before comparing two trials, check whether they share an endpoint definition. Frequently they do not, and the numbers then are not comparable in any sense.

Non-inferiority and superiority designs are not interchangeable. A non-inferiority result says the new agent is not meaningfully worse against a pre-specified margin — it does not say it is as good, and it certainly does not say it is better.

Quote the interval alongside the estimate and half the disagreements on this site would not start.

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answeredDr_Ilse_Vandenberg113k24822 Aug 2024
Thank you for separating the surrogate from the outcome. That distinction gets lost constantly. – ben_akintola 2 months ago
The placebo-arm figure is the part everyone omits. – tess_amankwah 4 months ago
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The short version: the effect is real, the magnitude depends on the population, and the population is usually the part that gets dropped when a result is quoted second-hand.

Placebo arms in this class are not nothing. Lifestyle-intervention placebo arms in the major obesity trials commonly lose two to three per cent of body weight, so an active-arm figure quoted without its comparator overstates the drug effect by roughly that much.

Where a result is quoted from a conference abstract rather than a peer-reviewed publication, the numbers routinely move between the two. It is worth checking which one you are reading.

One qualification: absence of a signal in a trial of this size is not evidence of absence for a rare event. It is evidence that the event is rarer than the trial could detect.

When two sources disagree, the answer is almost always in the methods section of the one you have not read.

edited 14 Jun 2024 by lipid_panel_q — tightened the wording; no substantive change

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answeredlipid_panel_q36k12727 May 2024

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Ask PeptideStack is a static archive. Posting is closed, but the norms are worth stating: answer the question that was asked, show your working, cite the trial or the certificate, and say plainly where the evidence runs out.

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