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How do I compute the +3 charge state m/z for a peptide of 4813.5 Da?

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Setup, so nobody has to ask: +3 · 4813.5 Da.

The units are where I keep going wrong, so please be explicit about them.

I have sanity-checked the order of magnitude and it seems right, which is not the same as being right.

Where is my error, and what is the correct working?

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askedrosa_mendieta13k2725 Apr 2024

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Two ions with the same nominal mass but different molecular formulae have different exact masses, and only high-resolution mass spectrometry can distinguish them.

A monoisotopic mass includes only the lightest isotope of each element, while the average mass weights by natural isotope abundance, and small peptides use monoisotopic mass.

Mechanically, a mass shift of minus one hundred and twenty-eight usually means a missing Gln or Lys residue from a synthesis deletion sequence.

Peptide mapping — enzymatic digestion followed by tandem mass spectrometry — can confirm the primary sequence and is the method of choice when identity is ambiguous.

Always run a blank between samples and check for carry-over.

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It helps to be literal here: a D-amino-acid substitution has the same molecular weight as the L-form, so mass spectrometry cannot distinguish them without fragmenting the peptide.

A mass shift of minus eighteen usually means dehydration or a succinimide intermediate, which is pH-dependent and can be reversible.

The part that matters: the baseline noise on a mass spectrum sets the limit of detection, and a weak signal close to the noise is not reliable evidence for the presence of a species.

Electrospray ionisation soft-ionisation behaviour is well-characterised and standards exist for m/z calibration and mass accuracy assessment.

The practical summary: use mass spectrometry for identity, not for purity.

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answeredDr_Fatima_Belkacem52k13830 Jun 2024
4The placebo-arm figure is the part everyone omits. – syringe_ninety 6 months ago
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More usefully, a mass shift of exactly zero with a shifted retention time points to an isomer — a scrambled disulfide or a racemised residue — which mass spectrometry alone cannot identify.

The m/z accuracy achievable depends on the mass analyser type — quadrupole gives low accuracy, time-of-flight gives moderate accuracy, and Orbitrap gives high accuracy.

Electrospray ionisation creates multiple charge states of the same peptide — a 4 kDa peptide might appear at +2, +3 and +4 — and all of them must be accounted for in the spectrum.

One qualification: high-resolution mass spectrometry gives high mass accuracy but low speed, and the reverse is true for low-resolution instruments.

A correct mass is necessary for identity but not sufficient — you also need the chromatography to confirm it.

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answeredtabular_nums47k3811 Jul 2024
6Confirming from the other direction: I did the wrong thing and got exactly the predicted outcome. – deamidation_watch 9 months ago
7Is there a reason to prefer the second method over the first, other than cost? – eoin_mcgarry 32 days ago
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Specifically, tandem mass spectrometry fragments the ions and measures the fragment masses, which provides sequence information and is the best tool for confirming identity.

High-resolution mass spectrometry can distinguish a Lys-containing peptide from an Arg-containing peptide of similar mass because of the isotope difference.

The limitation is that mass spectrometry tells you the mass and almost nothing else, so it needs to be paired with chromatography or other identity information.

Always run a blank between samples and check for carry-over.

edited 20 Aug 2024 by vialroom — added the placebo-arm figures

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answeredvialroom87k14823 Jul 2024
2Note that the label instructions differ between agents on precisely this point. – sasha_ferreira 2 months ago
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The single most important fact about mass spectrometry for peptides is that it measures only the molecular weight and tells you almost nothing about whether the peak is actually your target.

For a large peptide with multiple peaks in the mass spectrum, comparing the observed isotope pattern to the calculated pattern is a quick check that the formula matches.

The caveat is that a correct mass does not mean the peak is correct — isomers and co-eluting species can have the same m/z.

The practical summary: use mass spectrometry for identity, not for purity.

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answeredmicron2236k1386 May 2024
Small correction: the units in the third paragraph should be micrograms, not milligrams. – Dr_Bram_Verhoeven 2 months ago
2Do you have a reference for the last claim? Not disputing it, just want to read it. – jana_horakova 4 months ago
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