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How do I tell early satiety from an energy deficit on 1,100 kcal a day?

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Concretely: early satiety · 1,100 kcal.

I have two candidate explanations and no way to distinguish them.

The same procedure has worked without incident several times previously, which argues against technique.

Is this recoverable, and how would I tell?

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askedfelix_araya6.8k166 Sept 2024

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Start with what 1,100 kcal a day leaves you room for, because at that intake the deficit is a live competing explanation rather than a footnote. Protein is 4 kcal per gram, so 100 g costs 400 kcal — 36 per cent of the entire day's energy — and everything else has to come out of the remaining 700. A day that misses protein at 1,100 kcal has missed it by a wide margin, and early satiety that tracks those days is a nutrition signal. Then separate the two by timing: a dose effect is periodic and phase-locked to the injection or to an increase, and a deficit effect is monotonic and gets worse the longer the intake stays at 1,100. Log intake, protein and early satiety on the same daily row for a fortnight and the two patterns separate without any further cleverness. Nothing here is medical advice.

Answering this needs to know the size of the deficit, since fatigue tracks it closely and predictably.

Fatigue that appeared abruptly, rather than gradually with the deficit, is a different pattern and points away from intake.

It helps to be literal here: carbohydrate intake specifically affects training performance and perceived energy at a given total intake, which is why very low carbohydrate approaches feel worse in the gym at matched energy.

Check fluid and sodium before anything more exotic.

edited 23 Oct 2024 by tobias_reint — added a caveat about sampling

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answeredtobias_reint20k3828 Sept 2024
Worth flagging that this presents differently in people who titrated faster than the label. – priya_menon 41 days ago
Any published figure for how long the constipation persists, given it does not attenuate? – e_dziedzic 10 months ago
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Answer first: fatigue in this context is usually an energy-intake problem before it is a drug effect, and the arithmetic is the first place to look.

Three days of honest weighed intake usually settles this. Estimated intake in this situation is systematically wrong and usually wrong in the direction that hides the problem.

A deficit beyond about a thousand kilocalories a day reliably produces fatigue, reduced training performance and reduced spontaneous movement. With appetite suppressed, deficits of that size arrive by accident rather than by plan.

Weigh three days of intake honestly. That answers this most of the time.

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answeredDr_Aoife_Brennan20k279 Oct 2024
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Start with the actual intake, because a substantially suppressed appetite produces deficits far larger than intended and fatigue is the first symptom.

Sleep quality often changes during rapid weight loss in both directions, and sleep debt produces fatigue that no amount of dietary adjustment will fix.

The underlying point is that dehydration from reduced fluid intake alongside reduced food intake produces headache, lethargy and postural dizziness, and is the cheapest thing on the list to correct.

Abrupt onset points away from the deficit and towards something else.

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answeredsian_llewellyn65k1474 Jan 2025
5Adding a vote because this deserves more of them. – pk_curve 35 days ago
4This should be linked from the help pages. – sian_llewellyn 9 months ago
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If it persists at an adequate intake, it needs blood work rather than more speculation.

Iron deficiency is common, particularly in menstruating women, and low intake plus a reduced red-meat share makes it more likely. Ferritin is the test, and it is an acute-phase reactant so it needs interpreting alongside CRP.

Sleep is a variable here too, and no amount of eating fixes sleep debt.

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answeredsian_llewellyn65k14717 Sept 2024
Adding for future readers: fluids between meals rather than with them made a real difference. – Dr_Bram_Verhoeven 8 months ago
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Dehydration and low sodium intake produce fatigue that is indistinguishable subjectively and much easier to fix.

Hypothyroidism, sleep apnoea, depression and anaemia all present as fatigue and all become more likely rather than less in this population, so attribution to the compound should be a diagnosis of exclusion.

Sleep restriction produces measurable decrements in subjective energy and in training performance independently of energy intake.

If it persists at an adequate intake, get bloods rather than more theories.

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answeredplate_count_9k78k24812 Nov 2024
5Same experience here, different supplier. – s_bhattacharya 8 months ago
4I would add a sentence about when to stop managing it and start seeing someone. – aine_mulcahy 6 months ago
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