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How many vials from an FGP lot should I send for identity confirmation by mass spectrometry?

Asked 7 May 2024Modified 23 months agoViewed 29k times
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Setup, so nobody has to ask: FGP · identity confirmation by mass spectrometry.

I have worked this out and I would like someone to find the error, because I suspect there is one.

My working so far, for the record, is below, and I am fairly sure the error is in the unit conversion rather than the algebra.

Where is my error, and what is the correct working?

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askedtobias_reint20k387 May 2024
7Same situation here, so I will follow this one. – sian_llewellyn 3 months ago
6Can you say which laboratory and which method? The answer changes with both. – m_haraldsen 42 days ago
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The failure mode here is publishing a result that applies to the tested vial alone while implying it applies to the entire lot.

A statement that "lot 20260412 complies with specifications" is meaningless without stating which vials from the lot were tested and how many there were.

It helps to be literal here: if the entire lot failed qualification, a retest on a different vial is sometimes done, but reporting a retest result under the same lot number is misleading.

Published data on lot homogeneity from manufacturers who sample multiple vials consistently find variation below the published specifications, suggesting the sampling plans work.

One qualification: testing more vials gives better confidence, but at some point the cost outweighs the benefit.

Assume segregation is possible, and design your sampling to catch it if it exists.

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answered · accepteds_bhattacharya31k3820 Aug 2024
6Two of us submitted the same lot to different laboratories and got results a tenth apart. – Dr_Priya_Raghunathan 7 months ago
5For what it is worth, my own independent result was within half a per cent of this. – Dr_Idris_Coulibaly 6 months ago
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Thermal history during shipping is different for every vial, so a lot that experienced thermal abuse may have internal variation even if it was originally homogeneous.

If the lot was manufactured in multiple batches, testing vials from each batch separately establishes whether batch-to-batch variation is acceptable.

Stratified sampling — testing one vial from the top, one from the middle, and one from the bottom of a shipment — is cheap insurance against segregation.

Sampling plans for pharmaceutical manufacturing are defined in ISO 2859 and ANSI Z1.4, and they are based on statistical sampling theory.

The practical summary: a lot number without a sampling statement is a lot number without meaning.

edited 8 Sept 2024 by ravenna_pace — clarified the distinction between purity and content

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answeredravenna_pace14k3831 Aug 2024
2Same experience here, different supplier. – b_delacroix 7 months ago
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Start from the question: how many vials from this lot do I need to test to claim that the lot meets specification, and the answer depends on both the lot size and the acceptable risk.

The statistical foundation here is well-established, which is why sampling plans from decades ago are still valid.

It helps to be literal here: for a quantitative result like content, the acceptable range determines how many vials you need to test to establish the lot complies.

The limitation is that you cannot know for certain without testing every vial, and you almost never can afford to do that.

If testing multiple vials, state how many you tested and why you chose those vials.

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answeredj_wierzbicki69k14814 May 2024
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The practical consequence is that spot-testing one vial from a new supplier is better than assuming they are all the same.

If you have reason to suspect inhomogeneity — different appearance in different vials, or a long or warm shipment — testing more vials is the diagnostic move.

Lyophilised peptide homogeneity studies show that vial-to-vial variation is usually small but occasionally large, depending on the distribution in the freeze-dryer.

The caveat is that sampling is a trade-off between cost and confidence, and neither test nor assumption is cost-free.

If you only pay for one test, pay for quantified content. Purity is the number everyone quotes and content is the number that changes what you do.

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answeredorla_sheridan18k2726 May 2024
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To be exact about it, the single most misleading statement on a research-grade certificate is a lot number with no statement of how many vials from that lot were tested.

Published segregation failures show that even modern automated processes sometimes produce lots with measurable vial-to-vial variation.

The ICH Q3A and Q3B thresholds for reporting, identification and qualification of impurities are the framework the pharmaceutical industry works to, and they are worth reading even though nothing in the research-grade supply chain is obliged to meet them, because they tell you which numbers a competent analyst would consider worth reporting at all.

I would treat a "complies with" statement without sampling details as a claim rather than as evidence.

In practice: ask for the chromatogram, check the method section, check the lot number against the vial, and set your accept threshold before you see the result rather than after.

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answeredkwn_analytical147k3586 Jun 2024

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