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How many weeks to steady state for semaglutide on a weekly schedule?

Asked 9 Aug 2024Modified 22 months agoViewed 12k times
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My background is chemistry rather than physiology, which may explain where I am stuck.

I want the working, not the result — I need to be able to redo it with different numbers.

I care about the precision as well as the value — I want to know how many figures are real.

Is my approach right even if my number is wrong?

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askedmz_4113101k3589 Aug 2024

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This is answerable mechanistically, and the mechanism actually predicts the side-effect profile, which is unusual and worth exploiting when reasoning about it.

Albumin binding does the rest of the work. A fatty-acid chain attached through a linker binds circulating albumin reversibly, which both shields the peptide from renal clearance and creates a depot; that is how a two-minute hormone becomes a once-weekly drug.

Mass shifts and what they usually mean

Δ mass (Da)Most likely causeDistinguishing feature
+1Deamidation (Asn or Gln)New peak, slightly earlier retention
−17Loss of ammoniaOften with deamidation
−18Dehydration / succinimidepH-dependent, reversible
+16Oxidation (Met, Trp)Earlier retention, light-related
−128Missing Gln or LysDeletion sequence from synthesis
0Isomer: racemisation or scramblingSame mass, shifted retention

Glucose-dependence arises because the insulinotropic signal amplifies glucose-stimulated secretion rather than initiating secretion. With no glucose signal to amplify, there is little to amplify.

A receptor being expressed in a tissue does not establish that activating it there matters at therapeutic exposures.

Nausea and appetite share an anatomy, which is why they are hard to separate by dose.

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answeredDr_Nadia_Farsi104k24729 Sept 2024
3Worth flagging that this is phase 2 and the answer treats it as such, which is refreshing. – RP_C18 10 months ago
2The half-life table would be worth pinning somewhere more findable. – fib4_reader 8 months ago
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The underlying point is that the endogenous hormone is degraded by dipeptidyl peptidase-4 within a couple of minutes. Every long-acting agent in this class is essentially an answer to that one problem.

Receptor density and downstream coupling differ between tissues, so the dose-response curves for glycaemia, weight and nausea are not the same curve. That is the pharmacological basis for titration.

More usefully, central effects reach the arcuate nucleus and the area postrema, regions with an incomplete blood-brain barrier. That anatomy is why a large peptide can act centrally at all, and it also explains the nausea, since the area postrema is the chemoreceptor trigger zone.

Structural work on the receptor by cryo-electron microscopy has resolved the agonist-bound active state and is the basis for current structure-guided design in this class.

Tissue distribution first, then signalling. Nearly every question in this tag resolves at the first step.

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answeredv_ramaswamy68k5710 Oct 2024
The albumin-binding explanation for the half-life is the part that finally made it click. – Dr_Lena_Ostrowska 3 months ago
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Start with the tissue distribution. Pancreatic islet, gastric, and several hypothalamic and brainstem populations — that list explains insulin secretion, gastric emptying and appetite in one go.

Gastric emptying delay attenuates with continued exposure for long-acting agents through receptor desensitisation, which is why the early nausea usually settles while the appetite effect persists.

Concretely, biased agonism — differential recruitment of beta-arrestin versus G-protein signalling — is an active research area and is one hypothesis for why agents with similar receptor affinity have different tolerability.

The incretin effect itself was established by comparing the insulin response to oral and intravenous glucose loads matched for plasma glucose; the difference is what the gut hormones contribute.

Glucose-dependence is the property to remember; it explains the safety profile on its own.

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answeredDr_Nadia_Farsi104k24716 Aug 2024
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Answering this needs the distinction between the native hormone and the pharmacological agents, whose half-lives differ by three orders of magnitude and whose effects therefore differ in kind.

Glucagon suppression is also glucose-dependent and is lost during hypoglycaemia, which preserves the counter-regulatory response — a genuinely elegant piece of physiology and the reason the class is safe in this respect.

Research-use material is not approved for human use, and mechanism is not a safety argument.

Mechanism is a good guide to what to expect and a poor guide to how much.

edited 14 Sept 2024 by grainne_ahearn — updated for the 2026 guidance change

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answeredgrainne_ahearn50k387 Sept 2024
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The honest answer is that appetite suppression is centrally mediated and gastric emptying is peripheral, and the two contribute different amounts in different people.

Native GLP-1 has a circulating half-life of one to two minutes because dipeptidyl peptidase-4 cleaves the two N-terminal residues. Substituting the position-8 alanine, as the long-acting analogues do, blocks that cleavage and is the single most consequential modification in the class.

Area postrema involvement in nausea from this class is supported by lesion studies in animals and by the anatomy of the circumventricular organs.

Nothing here is medical advice; this is pharmacology.

The half-life problem and the albumin-binding solution are the whole story of the class chemically.

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answeredDr_Priya_Raghunathan49k13718 Sept 2024
Adding that the trial programmes are separate and quoting across them is the usual error. – cal_hennessy 8 months ago
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