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How much protein in grams do I need at 81 kg on 1,200 kcal a day?

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The specifics, since they change the answer: 81 kg · 1,200 kcal.

I would rather understand the derivation than memorise the outcome.

Two people I asked gave two answers that differ by a factor of ten, which is suggestive.

What is the general form of this calculation?

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askedswab_and_wait13k1627 Jul 2024
2Worth adding the rate of loss, because most of this tracks it. – rhian_prydderch 9 months ago
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130 to 178 g a day. The range the resistance-training literature supports is 1.6 to 2.2 g per kilogram, which at 81 kg is 130–178 g. At 4 kcal per gram that is 518–713 kcal, or 43–59 per cent of a 1,200 intake — which is why protein has to be planned first at this energy level rather than fitted in afterwards. Split it across three or four servings; roughly 0.4 g/kg per meal saturates the synthetic response and the surplus in one large serving does not carry over.

The short version: total daily protein first, per-meal distribution second, timing a distant third.

The leucine threshold for triggering the response is around two and a half to three grams per meal. Thirty grams of most animal protein reaches it; thirty grams of many plant proteins does not, which is why plant-based targets run higher.

Per meal, roughly 0.4 grams per kilogram saturates the synthetic response in most adults, which is about 30 to 40 grams for a typical person. Beyond that the surplus is oxidised or used for other purposes rather than adding to synthesis.

The caveat is that anyone with chronic kidney disease has a genuinely different protein calculation and needs it done by a clinician.

1.6 to 2.2 g/kg of reference weight, split three or four ways. That is the answer.

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answeredclaudia_ferrante22k2716 Oct 2024
4Two of us ran the numbers on this and got the same lean fraction, for what that is worth. – n_takahashi 2 months ago
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In practice, the relevant physiology is the per-meal saturation of the synthetic response, which is why one large serving does not substitute for three moderate ones.

Use reference or adjusted body weight rather than total weight where adiposity is substantial: a common approach is ideal body weight plus a quarter of the excess, which avoids targets that no one could eat.

A practical construction: 30 to 40 grams at each of three meals plus a 20 to 30 gram snack covers most targets without any protein powder at all.

Targets are population estimates; individual requirements vary and there is no cheap way to measure yours.

Plant-based patterns need a higher total and more attention per serving.

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answeredk_szabo27k275 Oct 2024
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Plant-based patterns need somewhat higher totals and more attention to leucine content per serving to produce an equivalent response.

High protein intakes do not damage healthy kidneys in the published evidence; existing kidney disease is a genuine exception and is a clinical question.

More usefully, appetite suppression makes protein-rich foods harder to eat because they are satiating. Liquid protein and leaner, less voluminous sources are the usual practical workaround.

Meta-analytic estimates place the plateau of the dose-response for lean-mass retention with resistance training around 1.6 g/kg, with a confidence interval extending to about 2.2.

Nothing here is dietetic or medical advice.

Healthy kidneys tolerate this fine. Diseased ones are a clinical question.

edited 21 Oct 2024 by sian_llewellyn — clarified the distinction between purity and content

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answeredsian_llewellyn65k14724 Sept 2024
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The part that matters: protein is also the most satiating macronutrient per kilocalorie, which makes hitting the target easier than it sounds once it is prioritised.

Older adults need more per meal to overcome anabolic resistance, with 1.2 to 1.5 g/kg daily commonly quoted for maintenance and more in a deficit.

Systematic reviews of high-protein intake in people with normal renal function have not found evidence of harm to kidney function.

Research-use compounds are not approved for human use, and no supplement substitutes for total intake.

Plan protein first in the day; with suppressed appetite it will not happen otherwise.

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answeredDr_Yusuf_Adeyemi54k14713 Sept 2024
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Answering this needs to know whether appetite is suppressed, because in this class the practical problem is achieving intake rather than choosing a target.

Hydration requirements rise modestly with protein intake because urea excretion increases, which is a real effect and a small one.

Leucine threshold effects are documented across protein sources and explain the difference in per-serving requirements between animal and plant proteins.

The caveat is that population averages tell you about populations. Your own trajectory is a sample of one and should be read as a trend, not as a deviation from a published mean.

Per-meal saturation is real. One enormous serving does not do the job of three.

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answeredDr_Yusuf_Adeyemi54k1472 Aug 2024

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