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Is 10 mg/mL a sensible working concentration for liraglutide, or should I go lower?

Asked 29 May 2024Modified 23 months agoViewed 42k times
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The case in front of me: 10 mg/mL · liraglutide.

These are treated as interchangeable and I do not think they are.

If both are acceptable I would like to know that, so I can stop thinking about it.

What is the actual trade-off, and does it matter at the scale I am working at?

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askedahmed_zerouali19k2829 May 2024

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The distinction that resolves most of these questions is understanding what concentration actually means and why it is not the same as label claim.

The concentration you actually work with is label claim times content fraction divided by actual diluent volume, which is usually not the same as the nominal concentration because content is usually not 100 per cent and you rarely measure the diluent volume to 0.1 mL precision.

Worth being precise here: breaking it down further: if a 10 mg vial has 96.5 per cent content, you have 9.65 mg of peptide. Divide that by 2.00 mL and your concentration is 4.825 mg/mL, not 5.00 mg/mL, which is a 3.5 per cent systematic error in every dose calculation.

The content assay results from major testing services show that nominal vial claim and measured content differ by one to ten per cent, making content a driver of dose error.

If in doubt, use more diluent and accept the shorter usable window.

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answered · acceptedh_villanueva50k3817 Aug 2024
3Small correction: the units in the third paragraph should be micrograms, not milligrams. – cake_intact 3 months ago
2Do you have a reference for the last claim? Not disputing it, just want to read it. – sian_llewellyn 2 months ago
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Two people working through the same arithmetic independently should get the same answer, and if they do not, someone has made a unit error.

Dead space quantified: a fixed-needle insulin syringe holds roughly 3 to 5 µL in the hub and needle after the plunger bottoms out. A luer-lock syringe with a detachable needle holds 35 to 100 µL depending on the hub design. At 5 mg/mL that is 15 to 25 µg lost per draw on the insulin syringe and 175 to 500 µg on the luer-lock — which over ten draws is the difference between losing a rounding error and losing half a milligram.

Stated carefully, air bubbles at these volumes are a measurement problem rather than a safety one. A 2 mm bubble in a 0.3 mL syringe is roughly 4 µL, which at 10 units drawn is a four per cent error.

The insulin-unit standard U-100 means 100 units per millilitre, so one unit is 0.01 mL — this is the conversion that trips up more people here than any other single piece of arithmetic.

Write the arithmetic on the vial label. It costs nothing and removes the step where you reconstruct it from memory.

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answeredmarta_okonkwo87k25826 Jul 2024
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Work in the order concentration, then volume, then units, and the arithmetic stops being confusing. Concentration is milligrams per millilitre and comes from the vial contents and the diluent volume. Volume per dose is dose divided by concentration. Units on a U-100 syringe are volume in millilitres multiplied by one hundred.

On filtration: a 0.22 µm syringe filter will remove particulates and organisms, and it will also adsorb a fraction of your peptide onto the membrane — with a low-binding PVDF or PES membrane the loss is typically a few per cent.

Worth being precise here: room temperature before drawing is worth the ten minutes. Cold solution is more viscous, draws slower, and condensation on a cold barrel makes it harder to read the meniscus.

I would flag the obvious failure mode: people get the concentration right, get the volume right, and then read the syringe against the wrong scale.

Do the arithmetic twice, ideally with someone else doing it independently.

edited 8 Jul 2024 by gradient_slope — added the method parameters

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answeredgradient_slope41k384 Jul 2024
7For what it is worth, my own result was within half a per cent of this. – aine_mulcahy 3 months ago
6Any reason this would differ for a longer peptide? – Dr_Rosalind_Achebe 2 months ago
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Concretely, the common error is getting the concentration right but then misreading the syringe scale, which is why checking the barrel marking rather than your memory matters.

Do not use the same needle to pierce the stopper and to administer. The tip is blunted by the stopper, and the hub now contains a dose you are about to lose to dead space anyway.

Published data on syringe dead space quantifies low-dead-space designs as retaining under 2 µL against 35 µL or more for conventional detachable-needle syringes.

If in doubt, use more diluent and accept the shorter usable window.

edited 21 Aug 2024 by tenth_of_a_unit — tightened the wording; no substantive change

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answeredtenth_of_a_unit40k386 Aug 2024
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The part that matters: dose arithmetic has three parts: concentration from vial content and diluent, volume from dose and concentration, and units from volume and syringe scale.

Rotation of injection site is a tolerability measure, not a pharmacokinetic one, but if you are going to do it you might as well do it right.

Write the arithmetic on the vial label. It costs nothing and removes the step where you reconstruct it from memory.

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answeredlane_transit42k3828 Aug 2024
7Good answer, but the confidence interval in the cited trial is wider than implied. – Dr_Hanne_Solberg 10 months ago
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