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Is an 18G drawing needle the right choice for drawing survodutide at 2 mg/mL?

Asked 28 Apr 2026Modified 11 days agoViewed 4.3k times
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The specifics, since they change the answer: an 18G drawing needle · survodutide · 2 mg/mL.

The comparison I want does not seem to exist anywhere in a form I can evaluate.

I have read the arguments for each and they do not engage with each other.

Which axes does this decision turn on?

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askedlow_dead_space37k3728 Apr 2026

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At 2 mg/mL a 1 mg dose is 0.5 mL — 50 units on a U-100 barrel — and no needle gauge changes that number. Gauge changes three other things: how long the draw takes, how much stays behind in the hub, and how much rubber you core out of the stopper. On the 18G scale a larger number is a finer needle, so an 18G drawing needle is coarse enough to draw quickly and coarse enough to cut a visible plug from the stopper. If you are drawing 50 units at a time, the dead space matters more than the bore: a fixed-needle barrel loses microlitres, a luer hub loses tens of them, and at 2 mg/mL each microlitre is 2 µg.

Answer first: use the largest bore you tolerate for drawing and the smallest for injecting, because the two operations have opposite requirements.

Flow through a needle scales with the fourth power of the internal radius under the Hagen–Poiseuille relation. Halving the radius reduces flow sixteen-fold at the same pressure, which is why a 31G needle draws so much more slowly than a 21G.

Stopper coring — punching a disc of rubber into the solution — is a large-bore phenomenon. An 18G or 21G needle inserted straight and fast is the classic way to do it; inserting at a slight angle with the bevel up reduces the risk.

The Hagen–Poiseuille relation gives flow proportional to the fourth power of radius, which is the quantitative basis for every gauge recommendation here.

The caveat is that no gauge choice makes a non-sterile preparation safe, and research-use compounds are not approved for human use.

Flow goes as the fourth power of radius. That is why the difference feels so large.

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answered · acceptedlaminar_bench69k5713 May 2026
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The short version: 21G to 23G to draw, 29G to 31G to inject, and never the same needle for both.

For injecting, 29G to 31G is the usual range and the difference in perceived discomfort between them is small. Needle length matters more than gauge for comfort at these volumes.

Drawing a viscous or foamy solution through a fine needle takes long enough that people rush the plunger, which causes more foaming. Using a wider drawing needle is the fix.

Higher gauge is not automatically better; it is thinner, which has costs as well as benefits.

Angle the bevel and insert gently to avoid coring the stopper.

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answereddead_volume56k488 Jun 2026
8Would this be different for a peptide that foams? Mine does and I have never known why. – mz_4113 9 months ago
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This is a straightforward answer that people over-complicate because the numbering is counter-intuitive.

Typical outer diameters: 21G is about 0.82 mm, 23G about 0.64 mm, 25G about 0.51 mm, 29G about 0.34 mm and 31G about 0.26 mm. The gauge number and the diameter move in opposite directions.

To be exact about it, very fine needles are more prone to bending and to blocking with any particulate, which is a practical argument for inspecting the solution before drawing.

Butyl rubber closures are specified for resealing after piercing up to a stated gauge, which is the basis for the fine-gauge repeated-entry practice.

Nothing here is medical advice.

Big to draw, small to inject, never the same one twice.

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answeredstopper_core28k12719 Jul 2026
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On the detail: the relevant physics is the fourth-power dependence of flow on radius, which makes small gauge differences enormous in practice.

A 30G or 31G needle through a butyl stopper leaves a track that reseals, which is why fine-gauge repeated entry is tolerable and coarse-gauge repeated entry is not.

Coring risk as a function of needle gauge and insertion technique is documented in pharmacy compounding guidance.

If a solution will not draw through a 25G needle, the problem is the solution rather than the needle.

Gauge numbers run backwards. Higher number, thinner needle.

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answeredDr_Idris_Coulibaly33k13723 Jun 2026
5Minor: the filter membrane chemistry matters as much as the pore size for adsorption. – esther_vandeVelde 3 months ago
6The arithmetic checks out. I ran the same numbers and got the same result. – ines_brandt 5 months ago
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Worth being precise here: coring the stopper with a large-bore needle is the risk at the drawing end, and it is real.

Fixed-needle insulin syringes are supplied in 29G to 31G and cannot be swapped for drawing, which is the trade-off against their much lower dead space.

Needle gauge to outer diameter correspondence is standardised and published; the inverse relationship between gauge number and diameter is the reason for the counter-intuitive labelling.

None of the above is a recommendation to administer anything. Research-use-only material is not approved for human use, and the arithmetic being correct does not make the decision safe.

Length affects comfort more than gauge does at these volumes.

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answeredlow_dead_space37k3720 Jun 2026

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Ask PeptideStack is a static archive. Posting is closed, but the norms are worth stating: answer the question that was asked, show your working, cite the trial or the certificate, and say plainly where the evidence runs out.

Not medical advice. Research-use-only compounds are not approved for human use.