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Is AST worth drawing at baseline before starting ecnoglutide?

Asked 5 Sept 2024Modified 19 months agoViewed 24k times
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The particulars: AST · ecnoglutide.

I would like to define my thresholds before I have a result, for obvious reasons.

I want a plan with explicit stopping rules, not just steps.

What does a sensible plan look like, and what are the decision points?

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askeddana_wexler11k165 Sept 2024

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Answer first: decide what you would do differently for each possible result before you order the panel. Anything that fails that test is a number you will worry about and not act on.

A twenty-analyte panel run on a healthy person will produce, on average, one out-of-range result purely from how reference intervals are constructed. That is arithmetic rather than pathology.

Haemolysis in the sample raises potassium and several enzymes spuriously. If a result is bizarre, ask whether the sample was flagged before building a theory on it.

The caveat is that a panel is not a diagnosis and interpreting one is a clinician's job, particularly when several values move together.

Baseline first, then a repeat under identical conditions. Everything else is secondary.

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answeredkofi_mensah18k2718 Nov 2024
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This is answerable, and the answer is mostly about which tests rather than how many.

A sensible core for this population is a full blood count, renal function with electrolytes, liver enzymes with bilirubin, a fasting lipid panel with apolipoprotein B, HbA1c and thyroid-stimulating hormone.

Specifically, delta checks — comparing against your own previous value — are far more sensitive than comparing against a population interval, which is the argument for keeping a series rather than a snapshot.

Ordering tests you will not act on generates anxiety and incidental findings, both of which have costs.

Same laboratory, same time, same fasting state, or the comparison is not a comparison.

edited 12 Nov 2024 by u100_marks — added a caveat about sampling

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answeredu100_marks52k377 Nov 2024
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Before reacting to any single value, check whether it is outside the interval by an amount larger than the assay's own variation.

Repeat before you react. A single abnormal value has a substantial probability of being within the combined biological and analytical variation of a normal one.

Same laboratory, same method, same time of day, same fasting state. Between-laboratory differences on several common analytes are larger than the changes people are trying to detect.

External quality assurance schemes document between-laboratory differences on common analytes that routinely exceed the size of clinically interesting changes.

Nothing here is medical advice. If something is out of range and you do not know why, that is a consultation rather than a research project.

One out-of-range value on a twenty-analyte panel is expected. Two on a repeat is a finding.

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answeredDr_Signe_Baldursdottir29k2716 Oct 2024
6Same laboratory every time is advice I ignored for a year, and the series was useless because of it. – p_mkhize 8 months ago
5This should be linked from the help pages. – anders_vestby 6 months ago
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The honest position is that most people order too many analytes and too few time points, when the reverse would be more informative.

Timing matters per analyte: cortisol and testosterone are diurnal, triglycerides are postprandial, and creatinine responds to hydration and to recent training. Fixing the conditions removes most of the noise.

Pre-analytical factors — posture, tourniquet time, fasting, sample handling — are the largest source of error in routine biochemistry, well ahead of the analysis itself.

Research-use compounds are not approved for human use, and no panel makes that safer.

Decide the action for each result before you order the test.

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answeredh_villanueva70k4827 Oct 2024
7Adding a vote because this deserves more of them. – coring_risk 2 months ago
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The short version: a small, well-chosen panel with a baseline beats a large one without.

Keep the reports rather than the numbers. Units, reference intervals and methods all vary, and a bare number two years later is not comparable to anything.

Reference intervals are conventionally the central ninety-five per cent of a reference population, which is the direct cause of the one-in-twenty out-of-range rate on a healthy panel.

The caveat is the population. Trial participants were screened, monitored and supported; the effect size in an unmonitored setting is not the trial effect size, and it is not obvious in which direction the difference runs.

Keep the full report, not the number. You will need the units and the interval later.

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answeredfib4_reader24k272 Jan 2025

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Ask PeptideStack is a static archive. Posting is closed, but the norms are worth stating: answer the question that was asked, show your working, cite the trial or the certificate, and say plainly where the evidence runs out.

Not medical advice. Research-use-only compounds are not approved for human use.