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Is resistance training two times a week enough at 1,000 kcal a day?

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Details up front: two · 1,000 kcal.

This is a planning question. I know what my options are; I do not know how to weigh them.

What I want is the minimum viable version, which I suspect is smaller than what I would design.

What does a sensible plan look like, and what are the decision points?

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askedesther_vandeVelde49k389 Oct 2024

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The underlying point is that a plateau at four to six months is the expected shape of the curve, not a failure of it. Energy expenditure falls with mass, and the deficit closes itself unless intake falls further.

The minimum effective resistance-training dose in a deficit is lower than most programmes assume. Two sessions a week covering the major movement patterns, with loads taken close to failure, is sufficient to retain most of what would otherwise be lost. Volume beyond that adds recovery cost that a large energy deficit is poorly placed to pay.

What each body-composition method measures

MethodMeasuresSensitive toLeast significant change
DEXAThree-compartment by attenuationHydration, positioning~2–3 % regional lean
BIA (consumer)Impedance, modelledHydration, food, temperatureNot usable at this timescale
Air displacementTwo-compartment by densityLung volume, hair, clothing~1–2 % fat mass
Tape and scaleCircumference, massTechniqueSurprisingly usable as a trend

To be exact about it, food noise returning is not obviously tolerance. Receptor desensitisation is one hypothesis; a second is that the initial effect was partly novelty and partly the steep early deficit, and a third is that intake has drifted upward and the signal is being outcompeted rather than weakened. The three make different predictions about what a dose increase would do.

The body-composition substudies in the major programmes consistently report that the proportion of weight lost as fat mass is approximately three quarters or better, with the lean-mass fraction falling within the range seen in dietary weight loss of comparable magnitude[1].

The caveat is that population averages tell you about populations. Your own trajectory is a sample of one and should be read as a trend, not as a deviation from a published mean.

Train, eat the protein, measure something functional, and give the trend three months before you interpret it.

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answered · acceptedDr_Aoife_Brennan50k4829 Oct 2024
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The mechanism is worth having straight, because it predicts which interventions can work and which cannot.

Protein target, worked: at 88 kg, a target of 1.6 g/kg is 88 × 1.6 = 141 g per day. Spread across three eating occasions that is roughly 47 g each, and the leucine threshold for a maximal muscle protein synthetic response is met at around 2.5 to 3 g of leucine, which corresponds to roughly 30 to 40 g of a high-quality protein. So three meals at 40 g plus one 25 g snack gets you to 145 g and clears the per-meal threshold each time. On 900 kcal that leaves about 340 kcal for everything else, which is the actual constraint.

Mechanically, the regain trajectory after stopping is roughly a mirror of the loss trajectory, and it is not primarily a willpower phenomenon. Appetite signalling returns, energy expenditure remains suppressed relative to the original mass, and the two combine. That is an argument for a maintenance plan existing before the stop, rather than an argument against stopping.

SURMOUNT-4 provides the cleanest maintenance-versus-withdrawal contrast available in the class, and it is the reference for any claim about what happens after stopping[1].

The plateau is arithmetic. Treat it as arithmetic and the response follows.

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answeredloss_on_drying47k1383 Feb 2025
4Any reason this would differ for a longer peptide? – Dr_Rosalind_Achebe 40 days ago
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The commonly quoted figures for lean-mass loss are mostly measurement artefacts, and the artefact is well understood: fat-free mass as measured includes water and glycogen, both of which fall early and neither of which is contractile tissue.

The first four weeks of loss is substantially fluid and glycogen. Each gram of stored glycogen carries roughly three grams of water, and total glycogen is on the order of 400 to 500 g, so the obligatory water shift alone accounts for a couple of kilograms. This is why the first month looks dramatic and the second looks like a plateau when in fact the fat-loss rate has not changed.

Fibre at very low total intake is a trap. Soluble fibre needs water and motility to work; insoluble fibre adds bulk to a slow transit. At 900 kcal a day with delayed gastric emptying, an osmotic agent is more predictable than a bulking one, and adequate fluid is doing more work than either.

I would be careful with the supplement literature here; effect sizes are small, the studies are mostly in trained young men, and generalisation to a large deficit is not obviously valid.

Two resistance sessions a week and a protein target you actually hit will do more than any refinement beyond them.

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answeredDr_Yusuf_Adeyemi95k24823 Jan 2025
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What the data supports is narrower than what gets recommended, so it is worth separating the two.

Hydration state moves a DEXA lean-mass figure directly, because the algorithm assigns water to the lean compartment. Scanning fasted, at the same time of day, before training and without a recent high-carbohydrate day is the difference between a comparable sequence and a noisy one. Bioelectrical impedance is far more sensitive to hydration again, which is why its trend is unusable at this timescale.

Adaptive thermogenesis — a fall in energy expenditure beyond that predicted by the change in body composition — is documented across weight-loss interventions and is the mechanistic basis for the plateau being expected rather than anomalous.

Measure strength as well as mass. It is cheaper, it is less noisy, and it is closer to what you actually care about.

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answeredjo_vandeberg19k2718 Oct 2024
6Two of us worked through this independently and arrived here, so it is at least reproducible. – Dr_Yusuf_Adeyemi 4 months ago
5Worth adding that the method section is where the answer usually is. – Dr_Aoife_Brennan 3 months ago
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The distinction that resolves this is between proportional loss and functional loss. Losing lean mass in proportion to total mass is what happens in every weight loss intervention. Losing function is not, and function is measurable.

Cardio does not interfere with lean-mass retention at the volumes anyone here is doing; the interference effect in the literature appears at high concurrent volumes in trained athletes. What cardio does at a large deficit is add to the deficit, which is either the point or a problem depending on the objective.

The STEP 1 extension reported substantial regain in the year after treatment withdrawal, with weight and cardiometabolic variables trending back toward baseline[1].

A maintenance plan written before you need it is worth more than a better loss plan.

edited 8 Jan 2025 by lyoph_cake — removed a claim I could not source

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answeredlyoph_cake95k25821 Dec 2024
8Good answer, but the confidence interval in the cited trial is wider than implied. – Dr_Jonas_Halvorsen 8 months ago
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