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Is resistance training twelve times a week enough at 900 kcal a day?

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Stated plainly: twelve · 900 kcal.

I am trying to build something sustainable rather than something thorough that I will abandon.

I have already decided the broad direction; this is about the specifics.

How would you structure this, and what thresholds would you set in advance?

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askedlabel_claim11k1822 Jul 2024
This is the first explanation of that which has actually made sense to me. – Dr_Sara_Kuusela 9 months ago
Note that the label instructions differ between agents on precisely this point. – j_wierzbicki 13 days ago
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What the data supports is narrower than what gets recommended, so it is worth separating the two.

Absolute strength holds up better than scale weight during a deficit for a straightforward reason: strength is substantially neural and skill-based, and the contractile tissue you retain is being trained harder relative to its size. Grip strength and repetition maxima are therefore lagging indicators of muscle loss rather than leading ones, which is an argument for measuring both.

Cardio does not interfere with lean-mass retention at the volumes anyone here is doing; the interference effect in the literature appears at high concurrent volumes in trained athletes. What cardio does at a large deficit is add to the deficit, which is either the point or a problem depending on the objective.

One qualification: none of this is a clinical assessment, and unexplained loss of function rather than of mass is a reason to see someone rather than to adjust a programme.

A maintenance plan written before you need it is worth more than a better loss plan.

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answeredgreta_holzmann15k1829 Jul 2024
5Small correction: the units in the third paragraph should be micrograms, not milligrams. – sian_llewellyn 2 months ago
6Do you have a reference for the last claim? Not disputing it, just want to read it. – marcus_thorbjorn 4 months ago
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A plateau at four to six months is the expected shape of the curve, not a failure of it. Energy expenditure falls with mass, and the deficit closes itself unless intake falls further.

The regain trajectory after stopping is roughly a mirror of the loss trajectory, and it is not primarily a willpower phenomenon. Appetite signalling returns, energy expenditure remains suppressed relative to the original mass, and the two combine. That is an argument for a maintenance plan existing before the stop, rather than an argument against stopping.

More usefully, fibre at very low total intake is a trap. Soluble fibre needs water and motility to work; insoluble fibre adds bulk to a slow transit. At 900 kcal a day with delayed gastric emptying, an osmotic agent is more predictable than a bulking one, and adequate fluid is doing more work than either.

The evidence for a higher protein intake preserving lean mass during an energy deficit is reasonably strong in resistance-trained populations and weaker in sedentary ones, with the meta-analytic estimates supporting intakes in the region of 1.6 g/kg over lower intakes when training is present[1].

I would be careful with the supplement literature here; effect sizes are small, the studies are mostly in trained young men, and generalisation to a large deficit is not obviously valid.

Two resistance sessions a week and a protein target you actually hit will do more than any refinement beyond them.

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answeredmicron2236k1389 Aug 2024
6Note that the label instructions differ between agents on precisely this point. – low_dead_space 9 months ago
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To be exact about it, the distinction that resolves this is between proportional loss and functional loss. Losing lean mass in proportion to total mass is what happens in every weight loss intervention. Losing function is not, and function is measurable.

The minimum effective resistance-training dose in a deficit is lower than most programmes assume. Two sessions a week covering the major movement patterns, with loads taken close to failure, is sufficient to retain most of what would otherwise be lost. Volume beyond that adds recovery cost that a large energy deficit is poorly placed to pay.

Protein target, worked: at 88 kg, a target of 1.6 g/kg is 88 × 1.6 = 141 g per day. Spread across three eating occasions that is roughly 47 g each, and the leucine threshold for a maximal muscle protein synthetic response is met at around 2.5 to 3 g of leucine, which corresponds to roughly 30 to 40 g of a high-quality protein. So three meals at 40 g plus one 25 g snack gets you to 145 g and clears the per-meal threshold each time. On 900 kcal that leaves about 340 kcal for everything else, which is the actual constraint.

The caveat is that population averages tell you about populations. Your own trajectory is a sample of one and should be read as a trend, not as a deviation from a published mean.

Measure strength as well as mass. It is cheaper, it is less noisy, and it is closer to what you actually care about.

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answeredDr_Fatima_Belkacem52k13820 Aug 2024

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