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What did the placebo arm of SUSTAIN-6 report for reflux?

Asked 27 Nov 2024Modified 16 months agoViewed 26k times
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What I am working with: SUSTAIN-6 · reflux.

I have read the primary source rather than the summary, which has left me with more questions.

I understand the headline. I do not understand the footnotes, and the footnotes look important.

What would I need in addition before this supported a decision?

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askedvial_five12k1727 Nov 2024
5Is that the primary endpoint or a secondary one? They get quoted interchangeably. – kwn_analytical 5 months ago
6Do you have the population it was measured in? The figure moves a lot between them. – v_ramaswamy 7 months ago
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The SUSTAIN-6 placebo arm is the only thing that makes its treatment arm interpretable, and it is the row nobody quotes. Symptoms reported under placebo in these programmes are not rare, because the population is being asked about them weekly and would have had some of them regardless. The attributable figure is the treated rate minus the placebo rate, and that difference is routinely a fraction of the headline. Two cautions on the subtraction: the arms must have been assessed the same way, and a discontinuation for an event removes that participant from later time points in both arms, which flatters whichever arm loses more people.

The part that matters: a trial establishes what happened to a defined group under a defined protocol. Extending it beyond that group is inference, and inference is allowed as long as it is labelled.

A composite endpoint is only as informative as its least serious component. Where a cardiovascular composite combines death, infarction and stroke, ask which component moved, because they are not interchangeable outcomes.

Headline results, principal programmes

TrialAgentnDurationPrimary result
STEP 1Semaglutide 2.4 mg1,96168 wk−14.9 % vs −2.4 % weight
STEP 2Semaglutide 2.4 mg, T2DM1,21068 wk−9.6 % vs −3.4 % weight
SURMOUNT-1Tirzepatide 5/10/15 mg2,53972 wk−15 / −19 / −21 % weight
SURMOUNT-4Tirzepatide, withdrawal67088 wkContinued loss vs substantial regain
SELECTSemaglutide 2.4 mg17,604~40 moMACE HR 0.80 (0.72–0.90)
FLOWSemaglutide 1.0 mg, CKD3,533~3.4 yrRenal composite reduced; stopped early
SURMOUNT-OSATirzepatide, OSA46952 wkAHI reduced with and without PAP

Concretely, trial populations are selected. Exclusion criteria in this class routinely remove people with significant renal impairment, prior pancreatitis and unstable psychiatric illness, which is exactly the population the results are then quoted for.

Registry entries at ClinicalTrials.gov carry the pre-specified primary endpoint with a timestamp, which is the cheapest available check on whether an endpoint was changed after the data were seen.

The short version: check the endpoint, check the comparator, check who was excluded, then look at the number.

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answered · acceptedDr_Rosalind_Achebe69k14712 Jan 2025
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The underlying point is that this is answerable from the published record, but only if you take the placebo arm seriously rather than reading the active arm alone.

Placebo arms in this class are not nothing. Lifestyle-intervention placebo arms in the major obesity trials commonly lose two to three per cent of body weight, so an active-arm figure quoted without its comparator overstates the drug effect by roughly that much.

Duration decides what can be seen. A 68-week trial can measure weight and glycaemia; it cannot measure anything whose event rate is one per cent per year without enrolling tens of thousands.

Meta-analyses in this area are dominated by whichever trial contributed the most participants, so read the forest plot rather than the summary estimate.

I am not a clinician and this is not medical advice; it is a reading of a published protocol.

When two sources disagree, the answer is almost always in the methods section of the one you have not read.

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answeredDr_Jonas_Halvorsen28k371 Jan 2025
Is the open-label extension included in that figure, or just the randomised phase? – dead_volume 3 months ago
8Do you have a reference for the last claim? Not disputing it, just want to read it. – swirl_dont_shake 33 days ago
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The honest answer here is that the published evidence supports part of the claim and is silent on the rest, and it is worth being precise about which part is which.

Open-label extensions are not the same evidence as the randomised phase. Once everyone knows what they are taking, the reported outcomes acquire a bias that no analysis fully removes.

It helps to be literal here: intention-to-treat and per-protocol analyses answer different questions. ITT asks what happens if you offer the treatment; per-protocol asks what happens if it is taken as directed. The gap between the two is a measure of how tolerable the protocol was.

Quote the interval alongside the estimate and half the disagreements on this site would not start.

edited 7 Feb 2025 by sunniva_dahl — fixed an arithmetic slip in the third paragraph

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answeredsunniva_dahl22k2723 Jan 2025
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Look at the discontinuation rate alongside the efficacy figure. A large effect in the two thirds who stayed is a different result from a large effect in everyone.

Non-inferiority and superiority designs are not interchangeable. A non-inferiority result says the new agent is not meaningfully worse against a pre-specified margin — it does not say it is as good, and it certainly does not say it is better.

Where a result is quoted from a conference abstract rather than a peer-reviewed publication, the numbers routinely move between the two. It is worth checking which one you are reading.

Read the protocol and the statistical analysis plan if the result matters to you. Both are usually published alongside.

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answeredDr_Colm_Fitzhenry69k2473 Feb 2025
5Adding that the endpoint definition differs between the two trials being compared here. – ten_mg_vial 8 months ago
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Before comparing two trials, check whether they share an endpoint definition. Frequently they do not, and the numbers then are not comparable in any sense.

Confidence intervals matter more than point estimates when two trials disagree. Two studies reporting fifteen and twenty per cent whose intervals overlap heavily have not disagreed about anything.

One qualification: absence of a signal in a trial of this size is not evidence of absence for a rare event. It is evidence that the event is rarer than the trial could detect.

If a claim cannot be traced to a named trial with a named endpoint, treat it as a claim rather than as evidence.

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answeredDr_Nadia_Farsi104k24718 Mar 2025

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