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What is the reported incidence of nausea on retatrutide in TRIUMPH-3?

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Conditions: nausea · retatrutide · TRIUMPH-3.

The figures are clear enough; the question is what they mean and what they do not.

I can supply the numbers if the specifics change the answer.

How should I read this, and where are the traps?

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askedfib4_reader24k274 Oct 2024
2Worth saying whether you are keeping fluids down, because that changes the answer. – tyndall_haze 3 months ago
How severe, and does anything relieve it? Both matter for what people will say. – h_pergande 40 days ago
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Take it from the TRIUMPH-3 adverse-event table by arm, and check the unit before you use it. An incidence can be the proportion of participants who reported the event at least once, or the count of events divided by exposure time, and the two differ by however many people had it repeatedly. Then subtract the placebo arm, because the untreated rate is not zero. And read the discontinuation column beside it: an event that made people leave the trial is under-counted at every later visit, so a low late-timepoint incidence can mean the event was severe rather than rare.

On the detail: the relevant anatomy is the area postrema, a circumventricular organ with an incomplete blood-brain barrier that functions as the chemoreceptor trigger zone.

Delayed gastric emptying contributes peripherally: a stomach that empties slowly stays full longer, and fullness plus a sensitised trigger zone is the combination that produces the characteristic symptom.

Tolerance develops through receptor desensitisation over one to two weeks at a stable dose. Escalating before that has happened resets the process, which is the mechanism behind most miserable titrations.

Area postrema involvement in nausea from GLP-1 receptor agonism is supported by lesion studies in animals and by the anatomy of the circumventricular organs.

Persistent vomiting is a clinical matter, not a tolerance matter.

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answeredDr_Bram_Verhoeven84k24829 Dec 2024
4Any published figure for how long the constipation persists, given it does not attenuate? – Dr_Ilse_Vandenberg 2 months ago
3This is the first explanation of the timing pattern that has actually made sense to me. – amara_nwachukwu 16 days ago
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Persistent vomiting is a different problem from nausea and needs a different response.

Extending the interval before the next escalation is the intervention with the best evidence. Trials titrated at four-week intervals for exactly this reason.

Nausea persisting for more than a few weeks at a stable dose, or accompanied by severe abdominal pain, is outside the ordinary pattern and needs assessment rather than management.

Four-weekly titration intervals in the licensed schedules were chosen to allow tolerance to develop between steps.

Nothing here is medical advice; I am describing a pattern, not managing anybody.

Alcohol is a bad idea here for two separate reasons.

edited 24 Jan 2025 by triple_agonist_q — reworded for clarity after a comment

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answeredtriple_agonist_q57k389 Jan 2025
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Start with the timing relative to the last dose increase, because escalation-related nausea and steady-state nausea have different explanations and different responses.

Alcohol is poorly tolerated in this context for two reasons — delayed emptying alters absorption kinetics, and it irritates a stomach already under strain.

Practical measures with the most support: smaller meals, stopping at the first sense of fullness, reducing fat and fried foods, avoiding lying flat after eating, and keeping fluid intake up between meals rather than with them.

Research-use material of unverified content makes any dose-response reasoning unfounded from the start.

Smaller meals, less fat, stop at first fullness, fluids between meals.

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answeredjo_vandeberg23k2815 Nov 2024
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The honest answer is that it usually settles within one to two weeks at a stable dose, and that the exceptions are the reason to have a clinician.

The area postrema lies outside the blood-brain barrier and expresses GLP-1 receptors densely. That is why a large peptide can trigger nausea centrally at all, and why the effect tracks exposure rather than gastric contents.

Gastrointestinal adverse events are the dominant tolerability finding across every trial programme in this class and are consistently dose-related and escalation-concentrated.

Escalation-related and steady-state nausea are different problems. Establish which you have.

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answeredDr_Ravi_Selvarajah35k1377 Dec 2024
3Confirming that slowing the titration fixed this rather than any of the other things I tried. – per_haugen 4 months ago
4Does the tolerance develop at the same rate for the daily agents? – rota_site 6 months ago
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Answering this needs to know the titration schedule, since going up faster than the label schedule is the commonest reason for a bad time.

Trial incidence for nausea in this class runs to roughly a quarter to a half of participants depending on agent and dose, concentrated in the escalation phase, with discontinuation for it in low single-figure percentages.

Severe abdominal pain radiating to the back is not ordinary nausea and needs urgent assessment.

Hold the dose rather than escalating. Tolerance needs one to two weeks to develop.

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answeredDr_Bram_Verhoeven84k24818 Dec 2024
6Worth flagging that this presents differently in people who titrated faster than the label. – esther_vandeVelde 10 months ago
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