Accepted answer
Here is the programme laid out. Every figure below is the primary published estimand for that trial, so the column is internally consistent; where a trial used a withdrawal or lead-in design the weight change is over the randomised period only, which is noted.
| Trial | n | Agent and dose | Duration | Population | Mean weight change | Comparator arm |
| STEP 1 | 1961 | Semaglutide 2.4 mg weekly | 68 wk | BMI 30+, no diabetes | -14.9% | -2.4% placebo |
| STEP 2 | 1210 | Semaglutide 2.4 mg weekly | 68 wk | Type 2 diabetes | -9.6% | -3.4% placebo; -7.0% at 1.0 mg |
| STEP 3 | 611 | Semaglutide 2.4 mg weekly | 68 wk | BMI 30+, intensive behavioural therapy in both arms | -16.0% | -5.7% placebo |
| STEP 4 | 803 | Semaglutide 2.4 mg, randomised withdrawal after 20-wk run-in | wk 20 to 68 | BMI 30+, all already on drug | -7.9% further | +6.9% regain on placebo |
| STEP 5 | 304 | Semaglutide 2.4 mg weekly | 104 wk | BMI 30+, no diabetes | -15.2% | -2.6% placebo |
| STEP 6 | 401 | Semaglutide 2.4 mg weekly | 68 wk | East Asian, BMI 27+ | -13.2% | -2.1% placebo; -9.6% at 1.7 mg |
| STEP 8 | 338 | Semaglutide 2.4 mg weekly | 68 wk | BMI 30+, active comparator | -15.8% | -6.4% liraglutide 3.0 mg daily |
| SURMOUNT-1 | 2539 | Tirzepatide 5 / 10 / 15 mg weekly | 72 wk | BMI 30+, no diabetes | -15.0% / -19.5% / -20.9% | -3.1% placebo |
| SURMOUNT-2 | 938 | Tirzepatide 10 / 15 mg weekly | 72 wk | Type 2 diabetes | -12.8% / -14.7% | -3.2% placebo |
| SURMOUNT-3 | 806 | Tirzepatide max tolerated, after 12-wk lifestyle lead-in | 72 wk post-lead-in | Already lost 5%+ on lifestyle alone | -18.4% further | +2.5% regain on placebo |
| SURMOUNT-4 | 670 | Tirzepatide, randomised withdrawal after 36-wk open-label lead-in | wk 36 to 88 | BMI 30+, all already on drug | -5.5% further | +14.0% regain on placebo |
| SURMOUNT-5 | 751 | Tirzepatide max tolerated vs semaglutide 2.4 mg | 72 wk | BMI 30+, no diabetes | -20.2% tirzepatide | -13.7% semaglutide |
Sources for the rows above, in order: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12].
Which comparisons are nearly fair
STEP 1 versus SURMOUNT-1 is the closest indirect pair: similar entry criteria, similar mean baseline weight in the region of 105 kg, similar mean baseline BMI around 38, both placebo-controlled with lifestyle counselling rather than intensive therapy, and placebo arms that landed within a percentage point of each other at -2.4% and -3.1%. That last point is the useful diagnostic. When two placebo arms behave the same, the background conditions were probably comparable, and the difference between active arms is more likely to be the drug.
The 4-week duration gap is the smallest of your worries. Both curves are shallow but not flat by then; extrapolating STEP 1 forward 4 weeks would move it by well under a percentage point, and STEP 5 at 104 weeks suggests the semaglutide plateau sits near -15% rather than continuing to descend.
Which comparisons are not fair
STEP 3 versus anything, because both arms got intensive behavioural therapy, which is why its placebo arm lost 5.7% - more than double the placebo arms elsewhere. SURMOUNT-3 versus anything, because participants had already lost at least 5% before randomisation, so the -18.4% is additional loss on top of that and the placebo arm regained rather than lost. The two withdrawal trials versus anything, for the same reason in reverse.
The diabetes penalty is real in both programmes but not equal in size: semaglutide drops from -14.9% to -9.6%, a loss of roughly a third of the effect, whereas tirzepatide 15 mg drops from -20.9% to -14.7%, closer to a 30% relative reduction. Those are similar enough that I would not read a mechanistic story into the difference.
SURMOUNT-5 does mostly settle it
You are right that the head-to-head makes the indirect arithmetic largely redundant for this specific question. Randomised, 72 weeks, maximum tolerated tirzepatide against semaglutide 2.4 mg in people without diabetes, and the separation was about 6.5 percentage points in favour of tirzepatide [12]. Two caveats worth holding: it was open-label, which matters more for tolerability reporting and adherence than for scale weight, and the tirzepatide arm was titrated to maximum tolerated dose while semaglutide was fixed at its licensed 2.4 mg. That is the fair real-world comparison but it is not a milligram-for-milligram pharmacological comparison, and it does not tell you what would happen against a semaglutide dose above 2.4 mg.
edited 6 May 2025 by tobias_maartens — added a caveat about sampling
6Using the placebo arms as a comparability diagnostic is the single most transferable idea in this thread. – kelvin_lam 9 months ago 7Worth flagging SURMOUNT-5 was open-label - it changes how you read the adverse-event columns more than the weight column. – Dr_Otto_Lindqvist 8 days ago 4The STEP 5 104-week data is the strongest argument that the semaglutide plateau is real rather than an artefact of stopping at 68 weeks. – plate_count_9k 2 months ago add a comment