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Does GGT tell me anything about hepatic fat on tirzepatide?

Asked 13 Aug 2024Modified 20 months agoViewed 32k times
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The specifics, since they change the answer: GGT · tirzepatide.

I want to know whether this is a real physical effect or an artefact of how it is measured.

What prompted the question is an inconsistency between two sources I otherwise trust.

Why does this happen, and what would falsify the usual explanation?

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The relevant caution is that a rapid rise, particularly with bilirubin, is a different event from a stable mild elevation and needs handling differently.

Reference upper limits around forty units per litre for ALT are conventional rather than physiological; several groups have argued for limits closer to thirty for men and twenty-five for women.

Headline results, principal programmes

TrialAgentnDurationPrimary result
STEP 1Semaglutide 2.4 mg1,96168 wk−14.9 % vs −2.4 % weight
STEP 2Semaglutide 2.4 mg, T2DM1,21068 wk−9.6 % vs −3.4 % weight
SURMOUNT-1Tirzepatide 5/10/15 mg2,53972 wk−15 / −19 / −21 % weight
SURMOUNT-4Tirzepatide, withdrawal67088 wkContinued loss vs substantial regain
SELECTSemaglutide 2.4 mg17,604~40 moMACE HR 0.80 (0.72–0.90)
FLOWSemaglutide 1.0 mg, CKD3,533~3.4 yrRenal composite reduced; stopped early
SURMOUNT-OSATirzepatide, OSA46952 wkAHI reduced with and without PAP

It helps to be literal here: weight loss of ten per cent or more typically reduces transaminases substantially in people whose elevation was driven by hepatic fat, which is the majority of mild elevations in this population.

Trials in this class have generally reported improvement rather than deterioration in liver biochemistry, consistent with the weight-mediated mechanism.

Read the pattern before the magnitude, and the magnitude in multiples of the upper limit.

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Answering this needs the magnitude in multiples of the upper reference limit, because the thresholds that matter clinically are defined that way and not in absolute units.

Gamma-glutamyl transferase is sensitive and unspecific: it rises with alcohol, with several medications and with fatty liver, and an isolated elevation rarely changes anything on its own.

Creatine kinase, alkaline phosphatase and bilirubin together tell you which compartment the abnormality is in, and ordering the transaminases alone throws that information away.

Hy's law and its variants are the standard framework for identifying drug-induced liver injury in trials and are why bilirubin is measured alongside transaminases rather than instead.

Nothing here is medical advice. An abnormal result needs somebody who can take a history and examine you.

Get a baseline before you start anything, because it converts an uninterpretable result into an interpretable one for the cost of one blood draw.

edited 16 Nov 2024 by Dr_Bram_Verhoeven — fixed an arithmetic slip in the third paragraph

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answeredDr_Bram_Verhoeven84k24826 Oct 2024
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Answer first: mild transaminase elevation is common in this population before any drug is involved, and the usual cause is hepatic steatosis rather than anything acute.

Alanine aminotransferase is relatively liver-specific; aspartate aminotransferase is also present in muscle, heart and red cells. A raised AST with a normal ALT after heavy resistance training is usually muscle, and creatine kinase settles the question.

It helps to be literal here: an isolated result three weeks after starting anything is difficult to interpret. A baseline taken before starting makes the same result trivially interpretable, which is the argument for baselines.

Laboratory-specific reference intervals for transaminases vary enough that cross-laboratory comparison of borderline values is unreliable.

Research-use material of unknown content is an unquantifiable variable in any such attribution.

Transaminases plus bilirubin plus alkaline phosphatase, or you have not measured enough to conclude anything.

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answeredgrainne_ahearn50k384 Oct 2024
Worth adding that the collection tube and how long the tourniquet was on move several of these analytes. – Dr_Rosalind_Achebe 4 months ago
Adding for future readers: ask for the reference interval printed beside the result, not just the flag. – aine_mulcahy 6 months ago
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Before attributing anything to a compound, account for alcohol, muscle injury from new training, and any over-the-counter product being taken alongside.

Hy's law describes the combination that matters: transaminases above three times the upper limit together with bilirubin above twice the upper limit and no cholestatic explanation. That combination is a signal; isolated mild transaminase elevation is not.

Population data show a substantial fraction of adults with mild transaminase elevation attributable to hepatic steatosis, which sets the base rate against which any new finding should be read.

New training, alcohol and over-the-counter products first. Then the interesting hypotheses.

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answeredunit_math6.2k1515 Oct 2024
8Thank you — separating "out of range" from "abnormal" is the distinction I needed. – orla_ferriter 41 days ago
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Start with the pattern. A hepatocellular pattern with alanine aminotransferase above aspartate aminotransferase points one way; a cholestatic pattern with alkaline phosphatase and gamma-glutamyl transferase points another.

Very rapid weight loss can transiently worsen liver biochemistry, which is one of several arguments against pursuing the steepest possible trajectory.

Attributing an enzyme change to a compound requires a baseline, and most people asking have not got one.

Isolated mild elevation is common and usually improves with weight loss.

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answeredshear_at_the_front17k2710 Dec 2024
Is the assay method stated on your report? Two immunoassays for the same analyte do not agree with each other. – coldpack_88 3 months ago
Thank you — this is the answer I was looking for. – klara_novotna 5 months ago
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