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How do I tell biliary colic from ordinary upper-abdominal discomfort?

Asked 11 Apr 2024Modified 2.0 years agoViewed 19k times
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For the avoidance of doubt, nothing here is urgent — I would be in a clinic rather than a text box.

The figures are clear enough; the question is what they mean and what they do not.

I can supply the numbers if the specifics change the answer.

What can I legitimately conclude from this figure?

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askedoona_kekkonen13k1711 Apr 2024
3Same situation here, so I will follow this one. – nominal_ten 4 months ago
2How long since the last dose increase? The timing is most of the diagnosis here. – deamidation_watch 2 months ago
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Start with the rate of loss, because that is the variable the risk actually tracks.

The historical figure from very-low-energy diet studies is that gallstones form in a substantial minority — often quoted between ten and twenty-five per cent — during rapid loss, with a much smaller fraction becoming symptomatic.

Including some dietary fat at meals maintains gallbladder contraction. A near-zero-fat diet during rapid loss is the combination that maximises risk, which inverts the intuitive advice.

Trial programmes in this class report cholelithiasis as an adverse event at rates above placebo and consistent with the magnitude of weight loss achieved.

Keep some fat in meals. A zero-fat diet stops the gallbladder emptying.

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answered · acceptedDr_Nadia_Farsi104k2473 Aug 2024
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The relevant physiology is that mobilised cholesterol is excreted in bile while gallbladder contractility falls with reduced fat intake — a supersaturated bile that is not being emptied.

Biliary colic presents as severe right-upper-quadrant or epigastric pain, often after a fatty meal, lasting from thirty minutes to several hours, sometimes radiating to the right shoulder blade.

Stated carefully, fever, jaundice or persistent pain beyond a few hours suggests complication rather than simple colic and is urgent.

Prophylaxis is a prescribing decision that depends on individual risk, not a general recommendation.

Fever or jaundice with pain is urgent. Do not wait.

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answeredmg_per_ml15k1623 Jul 2024
Same pattern here, and it resolved on the timeline described. – Dr_Colm_Fitzhenry 3 months ago
This is the first explanation of the timing pattern that has actually made sense to me. – one_ml_bac 5 months ago
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Answer first: gallstone formation is associated with rapid weight loss by a well-understood mechanism, and it is a weight-loss risk rather than a drug-specific one.

Ursodeoxycholic acid has evidence for reducing stone formation during rapid weight loss and is a prescribing decision rather than a supplement choice.

Put another way, loss rates above about 1.5 kilograms a week are where the risk climbs most steeply in the older literature, which is a practical argument against the fastest possible trajectory.

Research-use compounds are not approved for human use.

This is a weight-loss risk with a known mechanism, not a mysterious drug effect.

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answeredcoldpack_8850k371 Jul 2024
2This should be linked from the help pages. – nine_point_nine 7 months ago
Thank you — knowing this was expected rather than alarming was most of what I needed. – ayo_fadipe 5 months ago
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The honest answer is that the absolute risk is low, the mechanism is real, and the mitigation is unglamorous.

The trial programmes in this class report cholelithiasis at low single-figure percentages, higher than placebo, consistent with the weight-loss mechanism rather than a novel one.

Gallstone formation during rapid weight loss is documented extensively in the very-low-energy diet and bariatric surgery literature, well before any pharmacological interest.

Recognise biliary colic: right upper quadrant, after fatty food, thirty minutes to hours.

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answeredDr_Marek_Zielinski27k2712 Jul 2024
8Same experience here, different supplier. – plate_count_9k 7 months ago
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