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Is a 18G drawing needle the right choice for drawing dulaglutide at 20 mg/mL?

Asked 18 May 2024Modified 23 months agoViewed 33k times
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What I have: an 18G drawing needle · dulaglutide · 20 mg/mL.

I want to know what the trade-off actually is rather than which option is fashionable.

I would rather have a defensible reason than a marginal improvement.

So which one, and on what grounds?

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askedone_ml_bac12k1618 May 2024
8Any reason this would differ for a longer peptide? – p_mkhize 9 months ago
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Work in the order concentration, then volume, then units, and the arithmetic stops being confusing. Concentration is milligrams per millilitre and comes from the vial contents and the diluent volume. Volume per dose is dose divided by concentration. Units on a U-100 syringe are volume in millilitres multiplied by one hundred.

Rotation of injection site is a tolerability measure, not a pharmacokinetic one, but if you are going to do it you might as well do it right.

To be exact about it, air bubbles at these volumes are a measurement problem rather than a safety one. A 2 mm bubble in a 0.3 mL syringe is roughly 4 µL, which at 10 units drawn is a four per cent error.

The insulin-unit standard U-100 means 100 units per millilitre, so one unit is 0.01 mL — this is the conversion that trips up more people here than any other single piece of arithmetic.

I would flag the obvious failure mode: people get the concentration right, get the volume right, and then read the syringe against the wrong scale.

If in doubt, use more diluent and accept the shorter usable window.

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answered · acceptedleah_ferrers15k276 Jun 2024
7For what it is worth, my own result was within half a per cent of this. – aine_mulcahy 4 months ago
6Any reason this would differ for a longer peptide? – Dr_Rosalind_Achebe 2 months ago
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Two people working through the same arithmetic independently should get the same answer, and if they do not, someone has made a unit error.

The concentration you actually work with is label claim times content fraction divided by actual diluent volume, which is usually not the same as the nominal concentration because content is usually not 100 per cent and you rarely measure the diluent volume to 0.1 mL precision.

The rounding error accumulates if you round too many times — rounding concentration to 5.0, rounding the dose volume to 0.1 mL, rounding the unit reading to 10 — and the safest approach is to work the full precision and round only the final answer.

The Arrhenius relationship for drawing kinetics means that cold solution takes noticeably longer to draw than room-temperature solution.

Do the arithmetic twice, ideally with someone else doing it independently.

edited 27 Jun 2024 by bufferline42 — tightened the wording; no substantive change

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answeredbufferline4249k13817 Jun 2024
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The single most useful thing to do is write the arithmetic on the vial label, because you will reconstruct it from memory at an inconvenient moment if you do not.

Dead space quantified: a fixed-needle insulin syringe holds roughly 3 to 5 µL in the hub and needle after the plunger bottoms out. A luer-lock syringe with a detachable needle holds 35 to 100 µL depending on the hub design. At 5 mg/mL that is 15 to 25 µg lost per draw on the insulin syringe and 175 to 500 µg on the luer-lock — which over ten draws is the difference between losing a rounding error and losing half a milligram.

The part that matters: room temperature before drawing is worth the ten minutes. Cold solution is more viscous, draws slower, and condensation on a cold barrel makes it harder to read the meniscus.

Worth noting: the concentration after reconstitution is not the same as the label claim, and most people do not account for the difference.

Write the arithmetic on the vial label. It costs nothing and removes the step where you reconstruct it from memory.

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answeredlyoph_cake95k25810 Jul 2024
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Stated carefully, this is one of those calculations where checking your work takes two minutes and prevents a very consequential error.

Worked example, because the general form is easier to trust once you have seen it once. Take a 10 mg vial and add 2 mL of diluent: the concentration is 10 ÷ 2 = 5 mg/mL. A 0.5 mg dose is 0.5 ÷ 5 = 0.1 mL. On a U-100 syringe, where 1 unit = 0.01 mL, that is 0.1 ÷ 0.01 = 10 units. Change the diluent to 1 mL and the same dose becomes 5 units — same dose, half the resolution.

Published data on syringe dead space quantifies low-dead-space designs as retaining under 2 µL against 35 µL or more for conventional detachable-needle syringes.

If in doubt, use more diluent and accept the shorter usable window.

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answeredw_okoye40k13829 Jun 2024
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Concretely, this is arithmetic, so let us do the arithmetic rather than argue about it.

Number of stopper piercings matters less than the gauge doing the piercing. A 30G or 31G needle through a butyl stopper leaves a track that reseals; a 21G or 18G drawing needle punches a core and can drop it into the solution.

The content assay results from major testing services show that nominal vial claim and measured content differ by one to ten per cent, making content a driver of dose error.

Do the arithmetic twice, ideally with someone else doing it independently.

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