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Is a 25G drawing needle the right choice for drawing liraglutide at 10 mg/mL?

Asked 19 Dec 2024Modified 16 months agoViewed 39k times
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The case in front of me: a 25G drawing needle · liraglutide · 10 mg/mL.

I would like the axes of comparison first and the recommendation second.

I have tried the first option and it works; the question is whether the second is better rather than merely different.

Under what conditions does the answer flip?

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askedruaidhri_o_shea25k2719 Dec 2024

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At 10 mg/mL a 1 mg dose is 0.1 mL — 10 units on a U-100 barrel — and no needle gauge changes that number. Gauge changes three other things: how long the draw takes, how much stays behind in the hub, and how much rubber you core out of the stopper. On the 25G scale a larger number is a finer needle, so a 25G drawing needle is coarse enough to draw quickly and coarse enough to cut a visible plug from the stopper. If you are drawing 10 units at a time, the dead space matters more than the bore: a fixed-needle barrel loses microlitres, a luer hub loses tens of them, and at 10 mg/mL each microlitre is 10 µg.

Start with the fact that gauge numbers run backwards — a higher number is a thinner needle — which is the source of half the confusion in this tag.

Very fine needles are more prone to bending and to blocking with any particulate, which is a practical argument for inspecting the solution before drawing.

Reading a lyophilised cake

AppearanceInterpretationAction
Intact opaque puck, proud of baseCycle ran correctlyProceed
Slumped to one sideShipped before fully dry, or vibrationUsually usable; note it
Glassy translucent filmCollapse above glass transitionTest before use
Melt-back ring at stopperThermal excursion in transitTest before use
No visible cake at allVery low fill, or nothing thereWeigh it; query the supplier

A 30G or 31G needle through a butyl stopper leaves a track that reseals, which is why fine-gauge repeated entry is tolerable and coarse-gauge repeated entry is not.

Butyl rubber closures are specified for resealing after piercing up to a stated gauge, which is the basis for the fine-gauge repeated-entry practice.

Nothing here is medical advice.

Angle the bevel and insert gently to avoid coring the stopper.

edited 1 Apr 2025 by esben_lykke — updated for the 2026 guidance change

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answered · acceptedesben_lykke84k1588 Mar 2025
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The relevant physics is the fourth-power dependence of flow on radius, which makes small gauge differences enormous in practice.

Stopper coring — punching a disc of rubber into the solution — is a large-bore phenomenon. An 18G or 21G needle inserted straight and fast is the classic way to do it; inserting at a slight angle with the bevel up reduces the risk.

On the detail: drawing a viscous or foamy solution through a fine needle takes long enough that people rush the plunger, which causes more foaming. Using a wider drawing needle is the fix.

Big to draw, small to inject, never the same one twice.

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answeredlaminar_bench69k5730 Mar 2025
4I have seen exactly this failure mode twice and both times it was the diluent volume. – s_kalniete 7 months ago
3Minor: the filter membrane chemistry matters as much as the pore size for adsorption. – h_pergande 6 months ago
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Answering this needs to know the viscosity of what is being drawn, since a viscous solution through a fine needle is slow enough to encourage bad technique.

Fixed-needle insulin syringes are supplied in 29G to 31G and cannot be swapped for drawing, which is the trade-off against their much lower dead space.

Flow through a needle scales with the fourth power of the internal radius under the Hagen–Poiseuille relation. Halving the radius reduces flow sixteen-fold at the same pressure, which is why a 31G needle draws so much more slowly than a 21G.

The Hagen–Poiseuille relation gives flow proportional to the fourth power of radius, which is the quantitative basis for every gauge recommendation here.

Length affects comfort more than gauge does at these volumes.

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answeredleonid_marchuk19k2710 Apr 2025
The dead-space number surprised me until I did the multiplication across twenty draws. – ines_brandt 10 months ago
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Coring the stopper with a large-bore needle is the risk at the drawing end, and it is real.

Typical outer diameters: 21G is about 0.82 mm, 23G about 0.64 mm, 25G about 0.51 mm, 29G about 0.34 mm and 31G about 0.26 mm. The gauge number and the diameter move in opposite directions.

Higher gauge is not automatically better; it is thinner, which has costs as well as benefits.

Flow goes as the fourth power of radius. That is why the difference feels so large.

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answeredthermal_mass13k1719 Mar 2025
7Two of us worked through this independently and arrived here, so at least it reproduces. – cake_intact 5 months ago
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In practice, this is a straightforward answer that people over-complicate because the numbering is counter-intuitive.

For injecting, 29G to 31G is the usual range and the difference in perceived discomfort between them is small. Needle length matters more than gauge for comfort at these volumes.

Needle gauge to outer diameter correspondence is standardised and published; the inverse relationship between gauge number and diameter is the reason for the counter-intuitive labelling.

Gauge numbers run backwards. Higher number, thinner needle.

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answeredtenth_of_a_unit57k3713 Jan 2025

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