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Is STEP 5 a fair comparison of a GLP-1 receptor agonist against its comparator arm?

Asked 7 May 2024Modified 22 months agoViewed 39k times
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Setup, so nobody has to ask: STEP 5 · a GLP-1 receptor agonist.

This is asserted often enough that I assumed it was established, and then I went looking for the source.

I have searched the primary literature and found one paper that is adjacent but not on point.

Can anyone point me at a primary source, or confirm that there is not one?

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askednynke_dekker9.4k177 May 2024
Worth saying whether you want relative or absolute risk. They read very differently. – claudia_ferrante 6 months ago
8Same question, and the two papers I found disagree, which is why I am watching. – drawn_and_capped 4 months ago
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Fair depends on the comparator arm, and in STEP 5 that means asking whether the comparator was titrated to the same ambition as the experimental one. A head-to-head that runs its comparator to a dose below the one it is licensed at is not measuring the two agents, it is measuring one agent against a handicapped version of the other. Check three things: the maximum comparator dose reached, the proportion of the comparator arm that reached it, and whether the titration schedules had the same duration. If those match, the comparison is fair on dosing and the argument moves to the endpoint. If they do not, the effect size is partly an artefact of the protocol.

The part that matters: the trial answers a narrower question than the headline suggests, and the narrowing is where the useful information is.

Placebo arms in this class are not nothing. Lifestyle-intervention placebo arms in the major obesity trials commonly lose two to three per cent of body weight, so an active-arm figure quoted without its comparator overstates the drug effect by roughly that much.

Open-label extensions are not the same evidence as the randomised phase. Once everyone knows what they are taking, the reported outcomes acquire a bias that no analysis fully removes.

Where a result is quoted from a conference abstract rather than a peer-reviewed publication, the numbers routinely move between the two. It is worth checking which one you are reading.

If a claim cannot be traced to a named trial with a named endpoint, treat it as a claim rather than as evidence.

edited 18 Sept 2024 by jo_vandeberg — fixed an arithmetic slip in the third paragraph

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answered · acceptedjo_vandeberg23k2831 Aug 2024
8The placebo-arm figure is the part everyone omits. – v_ramaswamy 11 days ago
7Minor: the trial name is hyphenated in the original publication. – kwn_analytical 9 months ago
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Before comparing two trials, check whether they share an endpoint definition. Frequently they do not, and the numbers then are not comparable in any sense.

A composite endpoint is only as informative as its least serious component. Where a cardiovascular composite combines death, infarction and stroke, ask which component moved, because they are not interchangeable outcomes.

The relevant detail is that confidence intervals matter more than point estimates when two trials disagree. Two studies reporting fifteen and twenty per cent whose intervals overlap heavily have not disagreed about anything.

Meta-analyses in this area are dominated by whichever trial contributed the most participants, so read the forest plot rather than the summary estimate.

I am not a clinician and this is not medical advice; it is a reading of a published protocol.

Quote the interval alongside the estimate and half the disagreements on this site would not start.

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answeredv_ramaswamy68k579 Aug 2024
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A trial establishes what happened to a defined group under a defined protocol. Extending it beyond that group is inference, and inference is allowed as long as it is labelled.

Non-inferiority and superiority designs are not interchangeable. A non-inferiority result says the new agent is not meaningfully worse against a pre-specified margin — it does not say it is as good, and it certainly does not say it is better.

Intention-to-treat and per-protocol analyses answer different questions. ITT asks what happens if you offer the treatment; per-protocol asks what happens if it is taken as directed. The gap between the two is a measure of how tolerable the protocol was.

One qualification: absence of a signal in a trial of this size is not evidence of absence for a rare event. It is evidence that the event is rarer than the trial could detect.

The short version: check the endpoint, check the comparator, check who was excluded, then look at the number.

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answerednkem_obiora39k3820 Aug 2024
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The honest answer here is that the published evidence supports part of the claim and is silent on the rest, and it is worth being precise about which part is which.

Trial populations are selected. Exclusion criteria in this class routinely remove people with significant renal impairment, prior pancreatitis and unstable psychiatric illness, which is exactly the population the results are then quoted for.

Registry entries at ClinicalTrials.gov carry the pre-specified primary endpoint with a timestamp, which is the cheapest available check on whether an endpoint was changed after the data were seen.

The caveat is that trial evidence is about licensed product administered under supervision. None of it transfers automatically to research-grade material of unverified content.

Read the protocol and the statistical analysis plan if the result matters to you. Both are usually published alongside.

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answeredDr_Bram_Verhoeven84k24814 May 2024
5Thank you — this is the answer I was looking for. – mz_4113 3 months ago
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Look at the discontinuation rate alongside the efficacy figure. A large effect in the two thirds who stayed is a different result from a large effect in everyone.

Duration decides what can be seen. A 68-week trial can measure weight and glycaemia; it cannot measure anything whose event rate is one per cent per year without enrolling tens of thousands.

The cardiovascular outcome programme in this class runs to several large randomised trials — LEADER for liraglutide, SUSTAIN-6 and SELECT for semaglutide, REWIND for dulaglutide — and they are the reason the class is discussed as more than a weight intervention.

Be careful about generalising from a trial population to yourself. The exclusion criteria are usually the most informative page in the supplement.

When two sources disagree, the answer is almost always in the methods section of the one you have not read.

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answeredgrainne_ahearn50k3826 May 2024
4This should be linked from the help pages. – Dr_Ilse_Vandenberg 10 months ago
3I would gently push back — that was a secondary endpoint, not the primary one. – amara_nwachukwu 8 months ago
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