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What does the mechanism of oral semaglutide predict that SURMOUNT-5 did not test?

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For reference: oral semaglutide · SURMOUNT-5.

I understand the observation; what I do not understand is the mechanism behind it.

I have read the two review articles that come up first and both assert this without a citation to a primary source.

What is actually going on here, physically?

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askedkofi_mensah12k263 Oct 2024
3The placebo-arm figure is the part everyone omits. – otto_brenner 2 months ago
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Specifically, GLP-1R is a class B G-protein-coupled receptor signalling predominantly through Gs and cyclic AMP, and most of the interesting pharmacology in this class is about where that signalling happens rather than how hard it is driven.

Amylin co-agonism adds to a GLP-1 effect rather than duplicating it because the two act through different circuits: amylin signals through the area postrema via calcitonin receptor complexes, GLP-1 through both the area postrema and the arcuate nucleus. Two non-redundant satiety signals summate, which is the design rationale for a co-formulation rather than a higher dose of either.

Oral bioavailability of a 4 kDa peptide is essentially zero without help. Oral semaglutide is co-formulated with sodium N-(8-[2-hydroxybenzoyl]amino)caprylate, which raises local gastric pH and transiently increases transcellular permeability in a small area of gastric mucosa. It works, and it delivers roughly one per cent of the dose, which is why the oral tablet strengths are an order of magnitude above the injectable and why fasting and water volume are not optional details.

The chemistry is the interesting part and it is also the well-documented part. Read the medicinal chemistry papers; they are short and they explain the design.

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answeredpieter_maas22k1818 Dec 2024
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Start from the receptor and the rest follows: which receptors, in what ratio, with what signalling bias, reached at what concentration.

The Aib substitution at position 8 replaces alanine with α-aminoisobutyric acid, which is sterically hindered enough that dipeptidyl peptidase-4 cannot cleave the N-terminal dipeptide. That single change takes the half-life from minutes to hours. The C18 diacid on a linker at Lys26 then binds albumin reversibly, which both shields the molecule from renal filtration and creates a depot that releases slowly — taking hours to about a week.

Concretely, orforglipron is not a peptide at all, which changes everything downstream: it is orally bioavailable without an absorption enhancer, it has no fasting or water requirement of the same kind, it does not require cold chain, and it cannot be assayed by any of the peptide methods discussed elsewhere on this site.

If you want to reason about a new agent, start from its receptor profile and its half-life. Almost everything else follows.

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answeredDr_Colm_Fitzhenry85k2487 Dec 2024
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The half-life is a formulation achievement rather than an intrinsic property. Native GLP-1 has a plasma half-life of a couple of minutes; everything in this class is a set of modifications engineered to defeat that.

The GIP agonism-versus-antagonism question remains open, and the awkward fact is that both directions have produced weight loss in humans. The reconciling hypothesis is that chronic GIPR agonism produces receptor desensitisation and therefore functions as a pharmacological antagonist, but that is a hypothesis fitted to the data rather than an independent finding.

The relevant detail is that tirzepatide is an imbalanced dual agonist: it is more potent at the GIP receptor than at the GLP-1 receptor, which is the opposite of what most people assume from the way it is described. Whether the GIP contribution works through central appetite pathways, through adipose insulin sensitisation, or through modulating the GLP-1 signal is genuinely unsettled, and the honest position is that the clinical result is clear and the attribution is not.

The caveat is that mechanism explains and does not predict. A clean mechanistic story has repeatedly failed to survive a Phase 3 in metabolic medicine.

The mechanism is settled enough to be useful and unsettled enough to be interesting, which is a reasonable place for a field to be.

edited 3 Dec 2024 by sian_llewellyn — clarified the distinction between purity and content

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answeredsian_llewellyn85k24826 Nov 2024
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In practice, the mechanism question has a clean answer for the peripheral effects and a much less clean answer for the central ones, and it is worth being explicit about which of those you are asking about.

The split between delayed gastric emptying and central satiety matters because they have different time courses. Gastric emptying effects show substantial tachyphylaxis over weeks; the central appetite effect does not, or does so much more slowly. That dissociation is the best available explanation for why nausea fades while appetite suppression persists.

Oral semaglutide’s absorption mechanism via SNAC is described in the pharmacokinetic literature, and the ~1 per cent bioavailability figure with high inter- and intra-individual variability is why administration conditions are specified so tightly[1].

Worth noting that receptor pharmacology measured in a transfected cell line is a starting point, not a physiological measurement, and potency ratios do not transfer cleanly in vivo.

Structure predicts pharmacokinetics reliably and clinical effect unreliably. Keep the two claims separate.

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answeredassay_blank39k3815 Nov 2024
3I tested this on two lots and got the same answer, so at least it reproduces. – RP_C18 5 months ago
4The timing signature is the useful part. Everything else is confounded. – meniscus_film 7 months ago
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