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Why do two papers on ESSENCE report different headline figures?

Asked 19 Apr 2026Modified 11 days agoViewed 9.7k times
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My laboratory results are from the same laboratory each time, drawn fasting, which I gather matters.

I keep seeing this stated as a fact with no explanation attached, and unexplained facts make me suspicious.

My background is quantitative but not chemical, so I can follow an equation more easily than a hand-wave.

Is the standard explanation correct, and if so, what is the evidence for it?

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askeddead_volume56k4819 Apr 2026
Worth saying whether you want relative or absolute risk. They read very differently. – k_szabo 9 months ago
8Same question, and the two papers I found disagree, which is why I am watching. – esben_lykke 8 months ago
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The trial answers a narrower question than the headline suggests, and the narrowing is where the useful information is.

A composite endpoint is only as informative as its least serious component. Where a cardiovascular composite combines death, infarction and stroke, ask which component moved, because they are not interchangeable outcomes.

It helps to be literal here: open-label extensions are not the same evidence as the randomised phase. Once everyone knows what they are taking, the reported outcomes acquire a bias that no analysis fully removes.

Where a result is quoted from a conference abstract rather than a peer-reviewed publication, the numbers routinely move between the two. It is worth checking which one you are reading.

The short version: check the endpoint, check the comparator, check who was excluded, then look at the number.

edited 19 Jul 2026 by Dr_Bram_Verhoeven — added a caveat about sampling

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answered · acceptedDr_Bram_Verhoeven84k24816 Jul 2026
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The honest answer here is that the published evidence supports part of the claim and is silent on the rest, and it is worth being precise about which part is which.

Placebo arms in this class are not nothing. Lifestyle-intervention placebo arms in the major obesity trials commonly lose two to three per cent of body weight, so an active-arm figure quoted without its comparator overstates the drug effect by roughly that much.

To be exact about it, trial populations are selected. Exclusion criteria in this class routinely remove people with significant renal impairment, prior pancreatitis and unstable psychiatric illness, which is exactly the population the results are then quoted for.

If a claim cannot be traced to a named trial with a named endpoint, treat it as a claim rather than as evidence.

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answeredv_ramaswamy68k5731 May 2026
The number needed to treat is the framing that finally made this concrete for me. – h_villanueva 4 months ago
I would gently push back — that was a secondary endpoint, not the primary one. – lane_transit 5 months ago
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Start with what the trial was powered for. Everything else in the publication is secondary, exploratory, or a subgroup, and those three words mean three different things.

Confidence intervals matter more than point estimates when two trials disagree. Two studies reporting fifteen and twenty per cent whose intervals overlap heavily have not disagreed about anything.

Non-inferiority and superiority designs are not interchangeable. A non-inferiority result says the new agent is not meaningfully worse against a pre-specified margin — it does not say it is as good, and it certainly does not say it is better.

One qualification: absence of a signal in a trial of this size is not evidence of absence for a rare event. It is evidence that the event is rarer than the trial could detect.

When two sources disagree, the answer is almost always in the methods section of the one you have not read.

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answeredsecond_lot9.4k1423 Jun 2026
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The short version: the effect is real, the magnitude depends on the population, and the population is usually the part that gets dropped when a result is quoted second-hand.

Intention-to-treat and per-protocol analyses answer different questions. ITT asks what happens if you offer the treatment; per-protocol asks what happens if it is taken as directed. The gap between the two is a measure of how tolerable the protocol was.

The caveat is that trial evidence is about licensed product administered under supervision. None of it transfers automatically to research-grade material of unverified content.

Read the protocol and the statistical analysis plan if the result matters to you. Both are usually published alongside.

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answeredorla_ferriter89k14829 Apr 2026
Same experience here, different supplier. – Dr_Colm_Fitzhenry 2 months ago
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Before comparing two trials, check whether they share an endpoint definition. Frequently they do not, and the numbers then are not comparable in any sense.

Duration decides what can be seen. A 68-week trial can measure weight and glycaemia; it cannot measure anything whose event rate is one per cent per year without enrolling tens of thousands.

Meta-analyses in this area are dominated by whichever trial contributed the most participants, so read the forest plot rather than the summary estimate.

Quote the interval alongside the estimate and half the disagreements on this site would not start.

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answeredDr_Tomas_Kral53k3822 May 2026
8Worth flagging that this changed with the 2025 publication, so older answers are out of date. – b_delacroix 5 days ago
7Adding that the endpoint definition differs between the two trials being compared here. – tandem_gradient 8 months ago
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