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How do I distinguish glycogen and water shifts from real loss?

Asked 29 Mar 2026Modified 35 days agoViewed 16k times
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The trend is what I care about; individual weeks are obviously noise.

I have a result I cannot explain, and I would rather diagnose it than guess.

I have checked the obvious explanations and eliminated the two easiest ones.

What is the most likely explanation, and how would I confirm it?

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askedone_ml_bac12k1629 Mar 2026
Good answer, but the confidence interval in the cited trial is wider than implied. – amara_nwachukwu 7 months ago
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The underlying point is that the commonly quoted figures for lean-mass loss are mostly measurement artefacts, and the artefact is well understood: fat-free mass as measured includes water and glycogen, both of which fall early and neither of which is contractile tissue.

Protein target, worked: at 88 kg, a target of 1.6 g/kg is 88 × 1.6 = 141 g per day. Spread across three eating occasions that is roughly 47 g each, and the leucine threshold for a maximal muscle protein synthetic response is met at around 2.5 to 3 g of leucine, which corresponds to roughly 30 to 40 g of a high-quality protein. So three meals at 40 g plus one 25 g snack gets you to 145 g and clears the per-meal threshold each time. On 900 kcal that leaves about 340 kcal for everything else, which is the actual constraint.

The minimum effective resistance-training dose in a deficit is lower than most programmes assume. Two sessions a week covering the major movement patterns, with loads taken close to failure, is sufficient to retain most of what would otherwise be lost. Volume beyond that adds recovery cost that a large energy deficit is poorly placed to pay.

The body-composition substudies in the major programmes consistently report that the proportion of weight lost as fat mass is approximately three quarters or better, with the lean-mass fraction falling within the range seen in dietary weight loss of comparable magnitude[1].

Train, eat the protein, measure something functional, and give the trend three months before you interpret it.

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answered · acceptedDr_Marek_Zielinski39k383 May 2026
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Stated carefully, a plateau at four to six months is the expected shape of the curve, not a failure of it. Energy expenditure falls with mass, and the deficit closes itself unless intake falls further.

Absolute strength holds up better than scale weight during a deficit for a straightforward reason: strength is substantially neural and skill-based, and the contractile tissue you retain is being trained harder relative to its size. Grip strength and repetition maxima are therefore lagging indicators of muscle loss rather than leading ones, which is an argument for measuring both.

The first four weeks of loss is substantially fluid and glycogen. Each gram of stored glycogen carries roughly three grams of water, and total glycogen is on the order of 400 to 500 g, so the obligatory water shift alone accounts for a couple of kilograms. This is why the first month looks dramatic and the second looks like a plateau when in fact the fat-loss rate has not changed.

The evidence for a higher protein intake preserving lean mass during an energy deficit is reasonably strong in resistance-trained populations and weaker in sedentary ones, with the meta-analytic estimates supporting intakes in the region of 1.6 g/kg over lower intakes when training is present[1].

Two resistance sessions a week and a protein target you actually hit will do more than any refinement beyond them.

edited 23 Apr 2026 by v_ramaswamy — tightened the wording; no substantive change

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answeredv_ramaswamy40k3810 Apr 2026
5The arithmetic checks out. I ran the same numbers and got the same result. – micron22 4 months ago
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Specifically, what the data supports is narrower than what gets recommended, so it is worth separating the two.

Hydration state moves a DEXA lean-mass figure directly, because the algorithm assigns water to the lean compartment. Scanning fasted, at the same time of day, before training and without a recent high-carbohydrate day is the difference between a comparable sequence and a noisy one. Bioelectrical impedance is far more sensitive to hydration again, which is why its trend is unusable at this timescale.

The regain trajectory after stopping is roughly a mirror of the loss trajectory, and it is not primarily a willpower phenomenon. Appetite signalling returns, energy expenditure remains suppressed relative to the original mass, and the two combine. That is an argument for a maintenance plan existing before the stop, rather than an argument against stopping.

SURMOUNT-4 provides the cleanest maintenance-versus-withdrawal contrast available in the class, and it is the reference for any claim about what happens after stopping[1].

The plateau is arithmetic. Treat it as arithmetic and the response follows.

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answeredkwn_analytical89k24830 Mar 2026
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On the detail: the distinction that resolves this is between proportional loss and functional loss. Losing lean mass in proportion to total mass is what happens in every weight loss intervention. Losing function is not, and function is measurable.

Fibre at very low total intake is a trap. Soluble fibre needs water and motility to work; insoluble fibre adds bulk to a slow transit. At 900 kcal a day with delayed gastric emptying, an osmotic agent is more predictable than a bulking one, and adequate fluid is doing more work than either.

Adaptive thermogenesis — a fall in energy expenditure beyond that predicted by the change in body composition — is documented across weight-loss interventions and is the mechanistic basis for the plateau being expected rather than anomalous.

A maintenance plan written before you need it is worth more than a better loss plan.

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answeredDr_Ingrid_Baumgartner39k3822 Apr 2026
8Have you seen anything published on this, or is it inference from the mechanism? – kwn_analytical 4 months ago
7Useful. I have added the accept threshold suggestion to my own notes. – s_bhattacharya 2 months ago
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Put another way, start with the arithmetic, because the answer to the practical question is usually a number and the number is usually achievable.

Cardio does not interfere with lean-mass retention at the volumes anyone here is doing; the interference effect in the literature appears at high concurrent volumes in trained athletes. What cardio does at a large deficit is add to the deficit, which is either the point or a problem depending on the objective.

The caveat is that population averages tell you about populations. Your own trajectory is a sample of one and should be read as a trend, not as a deviation from a published mean.

Measure strength as well as mass. It is cheaper, it is less noisy, and it is closer to what you actually care about.

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answeredDr_Rosalind_Achebe90k15825 Jun 2026
5Any reason this would differ for a longer peptide? – vialroom 3 months ago
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