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How do I tell vomiting from an energy deficit on 1,200 kcal a day?

Asked 23 Jan 2025Modified 15 months agoViewed 19k times
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For reference: vomiting · 1,200 kcal.

Something has gone wrong and I would like to know how badly before I decide what to do.

Nothing else in the setup changed, which is what makes this puzzling.

What is the differential here, and which test discriminates between the options?

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askedekaterina_volk21k2823 Jan 2025

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Start with what 1,200 kcal a day leaves you room for, because at that intake the deficit is a live competing explanation rather than a footnote. Protein is 4 kcal per gram, so 100 g costs 400 kcal — 33 per cent of the entire day's energy — and everything else has to come out of the remaining 800. A day that misses protein at 1,200 kcal has missed it by a wide margin, and vomiting that tracks those days is a nutrition signal. Then separate the two by timing: a dose effect is periodic and phase-locked to the injection or to an increase, and a deficit effect is monotonic and gets worse the longer the intake stays at 1,200. Log intake, protein and vomiting on the same daily row for a fortnight and the two patterns separate without any further cleverness. Nothing here is medical advice.

The short version: check intake, check hydration, check iron and thyroid if it persists, and only then attribute it to the compound.

Dehydration from reduced fluid intake alongside reduced food intake produces headache, lethargy and postural dizziness, and is the cheapest thing on the list to correct.

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Sleep quality often changes during rapid weight loss in both directions, and sleep debt produces fatigue that no amount of dietary adjustment will fix.

Energy deficits above roughly a thousand kilocalories a day are associated with measurable reductions in resting metabolic rate, spontaneous activity and subjective energy in controlled studies.

Weigh three days of intake honestly. That answers this most of the time.

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answered · acceptedsian_llewellyn65k1473 Apr 2025
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Stated carefully, dehydration and low sodium intake produce fatigue that is indistinguishable subjectively and much easier to fix.

Hypothyroidism, sleep apnoea, depression and anaemia all present as fatigue and all become more likely rather than less in this population, so attribution to the compound should be a diagnosis of exclusion.

Specifically, fatigue that appeared abruptly, rather than gradually with the deficit, is a different pattern and points away from intake.

If it persists at an adequate intake, get bloods rather than more theories.

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answeredplate_count_9k78k24826 Apr 2025
2This is the first explanation of the timing pattern that has actually made sense to me. – Dr_Colm_Fitzhenry 4 months ago
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The relevant physiology is that a large deficit reduces both available substrate and spontaneous activity, and the second is often mistaken for the first.

A deficit beyond about a thousand kilocalories a day reliably produces fatigue, reduced training performance and reduced spontaneous movement. With appetite suppressed, deficits of that size arrive by accident rather than by plan.

Three days of honest weighed intake usually settles this. Estimated intake in this situation is systematically wrong and usually wrong in the direction that hides the problem.

Ferritin as an acute-phase reactant is a recognised limitation and is why it is interpreted alongside an inflammatory marker.

The caveat is that fatigue with breathlessness, chest symptoms or sudden onset needs assessment rather than dietary adjustment.

Abrupt onset points away from the deficit and towards something else.

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answeredp_mkhize58k23815 Apr 2025
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Start with the actual intake, because a substantially suppressed appetite produces deficits far larger than intended and fatigue is the first symptom.

Carbohydrate intake specifically affects training performance and perceived energy at a given total intake, which is why very low carbohydrate approaches feel worse in the gym at matched energy.

Attributing a symptom with a wide differential to the most recent change is a common and expensive error.

Check fluid and sodium before anything more exotic.

edited 20 Apr 2025 by sunniva_dahl — expanded the table to cover the lower concentration

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answeredsunniva_dahl22k2723 Mar 2025
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Answer first: fatigue in this context is usually an energy-intake problem before it is a drug effect, and the arithmetic is the first place to look.

Iron deficiency is common, particularly in menstruating women, and low intake plus a reduced red-meat share makes it more likely. Ferritin is the test, and it is an acute-phase reactant so it needs interpreting alongside CRP.

Sleep restriction produces measurable decrements in subjective energy and in training performance independently of energy intake.

Nothing here is medical advice.

Sleep is a variable here too, and no amount of eating fixes sleep debt.

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answeredsian_llewellyn65k14712 Mar 2025
8Adding a vote because this deserves more of them. – tess_amankwah 7 months ago
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