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Is resistance training three times a week enough at 900 kcal a day?

Asked 15 Aug 2024Modified 21 months agoViewed 39k times
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Stated plainly: three · 900 kcal.

I am trying to build something sustainable rather than something thorough that I will abandon.

I have already decided the broad direction; this is about the specifics.

What should I decide now, and what should I defer?

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askedharriet_lonsdale14k2715 Aug 2024
3This matches what I was told by a laboratory, for whatever that is worth. – RP_C18 8 months ago
2Minor: the trial name is hyphenated in the original publication. – fib4_reader 7 months ago
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Stated carefully, what the data supports is narrower than what gets recommended, so it is worth separating the two.

Fibre at very low total intake is a trap. Soluble fibre needs water and motility to work; insoluble fibre adds bulk to a slow transit. At 900 kcal a day with delayed gastric emptying, an osmotic agent is more predictable than a bulking one, and adequate fluid is doing more work than either.

Mechanically, absolute strength holds up better than scale weight during a deficit for a straightforward reason: strength is substantially neural and skill-based, and the contractile tissue you retain is being trained harder relative to its size. Grip strength and repetition maxima are therefore lagging indicators of muscle loss rather than leading ones, which is an argument for measuring both.

SURMOUNT-4 provides the cleanest maintenance-versus-withdrawal contrast available in the class, and it is the reference for any claim about what happens after stopping[1].

I would be careful with the supplement literature here; effect sizes are small, the studies are mostly in trained young men, and generalisation to a large deficit is not obviously valid.

The plateau is arithmetic. Treat it as arithmetic and the response follows.

edited 1 Nov 2024 by lyoph_cake — fixed an arithmetic slip in the third paragraph

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answered · acceptedlyoph_cake95k25817 Oct 2024
7Small correction: the units in the third paragraph should be micrograms, not milligrams. – tare_and_weigh 5 months ago
6Do you have a reference for the last claim? Not disputing it, just want to read it. – Dr_Hanne_Solberg 3 months ago
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Worth being precise here: the distinction that resolves this is between proportional loss and functional loss. Losing lean mass in proportion to total mass is what happens in every weight loss intervention. Losing function is not, and function is measurable.

The first four weeks of loss is substantially fluid and glycogen. Each gram of stored glycogen carries roughly three grams of water, and total glycogen is on the order of 400 to 500 g, so the obligatory water shift alone accounts for a couple of kilograms. This is why the first month looks dramatic and the second looks like a plateau when in fact the fat-loss rate has not changed.

More usefully, cardio does not interfere with lean-mass retention at the volumes anyone here is doing; the interference effect in the literature appears at high concurrent volumes in trained athletes. What cardio does at a large deficit is add to the deficit, which is either the point or a problem depending on the objective.

The STEP 1 extension reported substantial regain in the year after treatment withdrawal, with weight and cardiometabolic variables trending back toward baseline[1].

Measure strength as well as mass. It is cheaper, it is less noisy, and it is closer to what you actually care about.

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answeredDr_Aoife_Brennan50k4811 Oct 2024
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The mechanism is worth having straight, because it predicts which interventions can work and which cannot.

Protein target, worked: at 88 kg, a target of 1.6 g/kg is 88 × 1.6 = 141 g per day. Spread across three eating occasions that is roughly 47 g each, and the leucine threshold for a maximal muscle protein synthetic response is met at around 2.5 to 3 g of leucine, which corresponds to roughly 30 to 40 g of a high-quality protein. So three meals at 40 g plus one 25 g snack gets you to 145 g and clears the per-meal threshold each time. On 900 kcal that leaves about 340 kcal for everything else, which is the actual constraint.

Concretely, food noise returning is not obviously tolerance. Receptor desensitisation is one hypothesis; a second is that the initial effect was partly novelty and partly the steep early deficit, and a third is that intake has drifted upward and the signal is being outcompeted rather than weakened. The three make different predictions about what a dose increase would do.

The evidence for a higher protein intake preserving lean mass during an energy deficit is reasonably strong in resistance-trained populations and weaker in sedentary ones, with the meta-analytic estimates supporting intakes in the region of 1.6 g/kg over lower intakes when training is present[1].

Two resistance sessions a week and a protein target you actually hit will do more than any refinement beyond them.

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answeredDr_Yusuf_Adeyemi95k24822 Oct 2024
2Is there a reason to prefer the second method over the first, other than cost? – e_dziedzic 18 days ago
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The commonly quoted figures for lean-mass loss are mostly measurement artefacts, and the artefact is well understood: fat-free mass as measured includes water and glycogen, both of which fall early and neither of which is contractile tissue.

The minimum effective resistance-training dose in a deficit is lower than most programmes assume. Two sessions a week covering the major movement patterns, with loads taken close to failure, is sufficient to retain most of what would otherwise be lost. Volume beyond that adds recovery cost that a large energy deficit is poorly placed to pay.

The limitation of the arithmetic is that it assumes intake is being measured accurately, and self-reported intake is systematically underestimated by a substantial margin.

Train, eat the protein, measure something functional, and give the trend three months before you interpret it.

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answeredpip_okonjo11k1629 Oct 2024
2Minor: the trial name is hyphenated in the original publication. – ben_akintola 8 months ago
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Start with the arithmetic, because the answer to the practical question is usually a number and the number is usually achievable.

Hydration state moves a DEXA lean-mass figure directly, because the algorithm assigns water to the lean compartment. Scanning fasted, at the same time of day, before training and without a recent high-carbohydrate day is the difference between a comparable sequence and a noisy one. Bioelectrical impedance is far more sensitive to hydration again, which is why its trend is unusable at this timescale.

The body-composition substudies in the major programmes consistently report that the proportion of weight lost as fat mass is approximately three quarters or better, with the lean-mass fraction falling within the range seen in dietary weight loss of comparable magnitude[1].

One qualification: none of this is a clinical assessment, and unexplained loss of function rather than of mass is a reason to see someone rather than to adjust a programme.

A maintenance plan written before you need it is worth more than a better loss plan.

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answeredthabo_maseko20k2728 Aug 2024
5This should probably be in the site help pages rather than buried in an answer. – Dr_Otto_Lindqvist 9 months ago
4Good answer, but the confidence interval in the cited trial is wider than implied. – kelvin_lam 7 months ago
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