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What fraction of loss on orforglipron is lean mass according to SURPASS-3?

Asked 6 Mar 2026Modified 36 days agoViewed 9.6k times
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What I am working with: orforglipron · SURPASS-3.

I have read the primary source rather than the summary, which has left me with more questions.

I understand the headline. I do not understand the footnotes, and the footnotes look important.

How should I read this, and where are the traps?

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askedzainab_mustafa16k176 Mar 2026
6This is the first explanation of that which has actually made sense to me. – mira_sundqvist 9 months ago
7Note that the label instructions differ between agents on precisely this point. – halvard_ness 17 days ago
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The relevant detail is that a plateau at four to six months is the expected shape of the curve, not a failure of it. Energy expenditure falls with mass, and the deficit closes itself unless intake falls further.

DEXA precision is better than people assume for fat mass and worse than people assume for lean mass in a single scan — the least significant change for regional lean mass on a well-maintained scanner is on the order of a few per cent. That means two scans three months apart can differ without anything having happened, and it means a scan sequence needs to be at least three points before a trend is interpretable.

Protein target arithmetic

Body mass1.2 g/kg1.6 g/kg2.0 g/kgPer meal at 1.6 (÷3)
62 kg74 g99 g124 g33 g
74 kg89 g118 g148 g39 g
88 kg106 g141 g176 g47 g
103 kg124 g165 g206 g55 g
124 kg149 g198 g248 g66 g

At roughly 4 kcal per gram, 141 g of protein is about 564 kcal — a substantial fraction of a 900 kcal budget, which is the real constraint.

It helps to be literal here: the regain trajectory after stopping is roughly a mirror of the loss trajectory, and it is not primarily a willpower phenomenon. Appetite signalling returns, energy expenditure remains suppressed relative to the original mass, and the two combine. That is an argument for a maintenance plan existing before the stop, rather than an argument against stopping.

One qualification: none of this is a clinical assessment, and unexplained loss of function rather than of mass is a reason to see someone rather than to adjust a programme.

Two resistance sessions a week and a protein target you actually hit will do more than any refinement beyond them.

edited 22 Jun 2026 by Dr_Nadia_Farsi — updated for the 2026 guidance change

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answeredDr_Nadia_Farsi90k25813 Jun 2026
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The distinction that resolves this is between proportional loss and functional loss. Losing lean mass in proportion to total mass is what happens in every weight loss intervention. Losing function is not, and function is measurable.

The first four weeks of loss is substantially fluid and glycogen. Each gram of stored glycogen carries roughly three grams of water, and total glycogen is on the order of 400 to 500 g, so the obligatory water shift alone accounts for a couple of kilograms. This is why the first month looks dramatic and the second looks like a plateau when in fact the fat-loss rate has not changed.

To be exact about it, food noise returning is not obviously tolerance. Receptor desensitisation is one hypothesis; a second is that the initial effect was partly novelty and partly the steep early deficit, and a third is that intake has drifted upward and the signal is being outcompeted rather than weakened. The three make different predictions about what a dose increase would do.

The caveat is that population averages tell you about populations. Your own trajectory is a sample of one and should be read as a trend, not as a deviation from a published mean.

A maintenance plan written before you need it is worth more than a better loss plan.

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answeredten_mg_vial16k2824 Jun 2026
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Start with the arithmetic, because the answer to the practical question is usually a number and the number is usually achievable.

Protein target, worked: at 88 kg, a target of 1.6 g/kg is 88 × 1.6 = 141 g per day. Spread across three eating occasions that is roughly 47 g each, and the leucine threshold for a maximal muscle protein synthetic response is met at around 2.5 to 3 g of leucine, which corresponds to roughly 30 to 40 g of a high-quality protein. So three meals at 40 g plus one 25 g snack gets you to 145 g and clears the per-meal threshold each time. On 900 kcal that leaves about 340 kcal for everything else, which is the actual constraint.

The minimum effective resistance-training dose in a deficit is lower than most programmes assume. Two sessions a week covering the major movement patterns, with loads taken close to failure, is sufficient to retain most of what would otherwise be lost. Volume beyond that adds recovery cost that a large energy deficit is poorly placed to pay.

The plateau is arithmetic. Treat it as arithmetic and the response follows.

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answeredfresh_bac13k287 Mar 2026
7For what it is worth, my own result was within half a per cent of this. – vialroom 9 months ago
8Any reason this would differ for a longer peptide? – leonid_marchuk 34 days ago
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It helps to be literal here: the mechanism is worth having straight, because it predicts which interventions can work and which cannot.

Absolute strength holds up better than scale weight during a deficit for a straightforward reason: strength is substantially neural and skill-based, and the contractile tissue you retain is being trained harder relative to its size. Grip strength and repetition maxima are therefore lagging indicators of muscle loss rather than leading ones, which is an argument for measuring both.

I would be careful with the supplement literature here; effect sizes are small, the studies are mostly in trained young men, and generalisation to a large deficit is not obviously valid.

Train, eat the protein, measure something functional, and give the trend three months before you interpret it.

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answeredrhian_prydderch44k3818 Mar 2026
6Worth adding that the method section is where the answer usually is. – h_villanueva 9 months ago
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