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Is 2 mg weekly a defensible maintenance dose for semaglutide?

Asked 15 Jan 2025Modified 17 months agoViewed 33k times
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The specifics, since they change the answer: 2 mg · semaglutide.

I am at the decision point and I would rather think it through than improvise.

I would rather spend money on measurement than on redundancy.

What does a sensible plan look like, and what are the decision points?

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askedmarcus_thorbjorn9.4k1615 Jan 2025
4Voting to keep this open — it is more specific than it first looks. – deamidation_watch 6 months ago
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2 mg a week is 0.286 mg a day averaged out and 104 mg over a year — but "defensible" is not a property of the number, it is a property of where the number came from. A maintenance dose is defensible when a trial randomised people to it and reported what happened, and indefensible when it was arrived at by interpolation between two doses that were studied. So the question to ask of 2 mg is which arm it corresponds to: if a programme ran 2 mg as a maintenance level, there is an efficacy figure, a tolerability figure and a discontinuation rate attached to it. If it sits between two studied levels, everything said about it is extrapolation, and the burden of that is on whoever proposed it. The other half of the arithmetic is supply: at 2 mg a week a 10 mg vial is 5 weeks and you will need about 11 of them a year, which is worth knowing before the dose is settled rather than after. Maintenance doses are set by a prescriber against an individual; nothing here is medical advice.

Answer first: the maintenance dose is the lowest one that holds the result, and finding it is a downward search rather than an upward one.

Maintenance and loss are different endpoints. Loss requires a sustained energy deficit; maintenance requires only that the counter-regulatory drive is offset, and that may need less exposure.

Weekly dosing accumulation, 7-day half-life

WeekFraction of steady stateTrough as × dose
150 %0.50
275 %0.75
388 %0.88
494 %0.94
597 %0.97
698 %0.98

This is why a four-week step interval is approximately, but not exactly, steady state.

A downward search proceeds one step at a time with at least eight weeks at each level, because a weekly agent takes four to five weeks to reach the new steady state and then needs time for the trend to be readable.

STEP-4 and SURMOUNT-4 evaluated withdrawal rather than dose reduction, which is the limit of the direct evidence on this question.

The caveat is that dose reduction is a clinical decision and this is a description of a search strategy rather than a recommendation.

The lowest dose that holds the result is the answer, and it is individual.

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answered · acceptedu100_marks52k374 Mar 2025
7Adding a vote because this deserves more of them. – marta_okonkwo 5 months ago
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The short version: reach a working dose, hold it, and then consider whether less would hold it just as well.

If the result deteriorates on a lower dose, returning to the previous one is straightforward and does not require re-titration from the bottom provided the gap has been short.

The maintenance dose is not necessarily the same a year later, since the counter-regulatory response attenuates slowly if at all.

Gastrointestinal adverse event rates in the trials are dose-related, which supports the tolerability argument for the lowest effective dose.

Nothing here is medical advice, and research-use compounds are not approved for human use.

Going back up after a short gap does not require re-titrating from the bottom.

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answeredu100_marks52k3719 Jan 2025
Two of us compared schedules and the difference was entirely in patience. – nils_karlberg 4 months ago
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The honest answer is that the maintenance dose is individual and that the search for it is slow because the feedback is slow.

Glycaemic maintenance has a faster and cleaner signal than weight maintenance, particularly with continuous monitoring, which makes the downward search more tractable when glycaemia is the endpoint.

To be exact about it, gastrointestinal tolerability generally improves on a reduced dose, which is a genuine quality-of-life argument for the search rather than only a cost one.

Inference from the withdrawal trials to dose reduction is inference and should be labelled as such.

Search downward, one step, eight weeks each, on a rolling average.

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answeredrota_site36k2710 Feb 2025
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Reducing the dose is not the same as stopping, and the withdrawal trials tell you about the second rather than the first.

The withdrawal trials — STEP-4 and SURMOUNT-4 — established what happens when treatment stops entirely. They did not evaluate dose reduction, so the evidence for a lower maintenance dose is inference rather than data.

The counter-regulatory hormonal response to weight loss persists for at least a year after the loss, which is the physiological reason maintenance needs something rather than nothing.

The withdrawal trials answer stopping, not reducing. Different questions.

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answeredDr_Tomas_Kral53k3830 Jan 2025
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Answering this needs the reason for the current dose, since a dose chosen for loss and a dose chosen for maintenance are different decisions.

Weight is a noisy signal. A rolling four-week average is the instrument; single weigh-ins after a dose reduction will show nothing interpretable.

Dose-response for weight in the trial programmes was real but flattening at the upper end, which is consistent with a lower maintenance requirement.

Glycaemic maintenance gives a faster signal than weight maintenance.

edited 1 Mar 2025 by Dr_Rosalind_Achebe — fixed an arithmetic slip in the third paragraph

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answeredDr_Rosalind_Achebe69k14721 Feb 2025
8This should be linked from the help pages. – harriet_lonsdale 9 months ago
Adding for future readers: write down what "working" means before you start. – Dr_Signe_Baldursdottir 15 days ago
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