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What is the minimum effective resistance-training dose in a deficit?

Asked 28 May 2025Modified 11 months agoViewed 14k times
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I would like to know what to measure as much as what to do.

I have done this once and I suspect I got away with it rather than got it right.

For context: I keep records of every batch, every lot number and every result, so an answer that requires me to track something is fine.

What does a defensible version of this look like in practice?

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askedtobias_maartens94k25828 May 2025

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The distinction that resolves this is between proportional loss and functional loss. Losing lean mass in proportion to total mass is what happens in every weight loss intervention. Losing function is not, and function is measurable.

DEXA precision is better than people assume for fat mass and worse than people assume for lean mass in a single scan — the least significant change for regional lean mass on a well-maintained scanner is on the order of a few per cent. That means two scans three months apart can differ without anything having happened, and it means a scan sequence needs to be at least three points before a trend is interpretable.

The regain trajectory after stopping is roughly a mirror of the loss trajectory, and it is not primarily a willpower phenomenon. Appetite signalling returns, energy expenditure remains suppressed relative to the original mass, and the two combine. That is an argument for a maintenance plan existing before the stop, rather than an argument against stopping.

The limitation of the arithmetic is that it assumes intake is being measured accurately, and self-reported intake is systematically underestimated by a substantial margin.

The plateau is arithmetic. Treat it as arithmetic and the response follows.

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answeredstopper_core50k13824 Jun 2025
4I tested this on two lots and got the same answer, so at least it reproduces. – valentina_rossi 8 months ago
3The timing signature is the useful part. Everything else is confounded. – ines_brandt 7 months ago
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The underlying point is that the commonly quoted figures for lean-mass loss are mostly measurement artefacts, and the artefact is well understood: fat-free mass as measured includes water and glycogen, both of which fall early and neither of which is contractile tissue.

Absolute strength holds up better than scale weight during a deficit for a straightforward reason: strength is substantially neural and skill-based, and the contractile tissue you retain is being trained harder relative to its size. Grip strength and repetition maxima are therefore lagging indicators of muscle loss rather than leading ones, which is an argument for measuring both.

More usefully, protein target, worked: at 88 kg, a target of 1.6 g/kg is 88 × 1.6 = 141 g per day. Spread across three eating occasions that is roughly 47 g each, and the leucine threshold for a maximal muscle protein synthetic response is met at around 2.5 to 3 g of leucine, which corresponds to roughly 30 to 40 g of a high-quality protein. So three meals at 40 g plus one 25 g snack gets you to 145 g and clears the per-meal threshold each time. On 900 kcal that leaves about 340 kcal for everything else, which is the actual constraint.

Train, eat the protein, measure something functional, and give the trend three months before you interpret it.

edited 27 Jul 2025 by bounty_hunter_q — reworded for clarity after a comment

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answeredbounty_hunter_q18k285 Jul 2025
Any reason this would differ for a longer peptide? – mala_venkatesh 6 months ago
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The relevant detail is that start with the arithmetic, because the answer to the practical question is usually a number and the number is usually achievable.

The first four weeks of loss is substantially fluid and glycogen. Each gram of stored glycogen carries roughly three grams of water, and total glycogen is on the order of 400 to 500 g, so the obligatory water shift alone accounts for a couple of kilograms. This is why the first month looks dramatic and the second looks like a plateau when in fact the fat-loss rate has not changed.

Food noise returning is not obviously tolerance. Receptor desensitisation is one hypothesis; a second is that the initial effect was partly novelty and partly the steep early deficit, and a third is that intake has drifted upward and the signal is being outcompeted rather than weakened. The three make different predictions about what a dose increase would do.

Measure strength as well as mass. It is cheaper, it is less noisy, and it is closer to what you actually care about.

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answeredesther_vandeVelde49k382 Jun 2025
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Put another way, the mechanism is worth having straight, because it predicts which interventions can work and which cannot.

Hydration state moves a DEXA lean-mass figure directly, because the algorithm assigns water to the lean compartment. Scanning fasted, at the same time of day, before training and without a recent high-carbohydrate day is the difference between a comparable sequence and a noisy one. Bioelectrical impedance is far more sensitive to hydration again, which is why its trend is unusable at this timescale.

I would be careful with the supplement literature here; effect sizes are small, the studies are mostly in trained young men, and generalisation to a large deficit is not obviously valid.

Two resistance sessions a week and a protein target you actually hit will do more than any refinement beyond them.

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answeredines_brandt93k24813 Jun 2025
6Good answer, but the confidence interval in the cited trial is wider than implied. – coldpack_88 9 months ago
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On the detail: what the data supports is narrower than what gets recommended, so it is worth separating the two.

Fibre at very low total intake is a trap. Soluble fibre needs water and motility to work; insoluble fibre adds bulk to a slow transit. At 900 kcal a day with delayed gastric emptying, an osmotic agent is more predictable than a bulking one, and adequate fluid is doing more work than either.

The evidence for a higher protein intake preserving lean mass during an energy deficit is reasonably strong in resistance-trained populations and weaker in sedentary ones, with the meta-analytic estimates supporting intakes in the region of 1.6 g/kg over lower intakes when training is present[1].

A maintenance plan written before you need it is worth more than a better loss plan.

edited 25 Aug 2025 by leah_ferrers — added a caveat about sampling

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answeredleah_ferrers15k278 Aug 2025
This is the first explanation of that which has actually made sense to me. – charge_state_3 32 days ago
8Note that the label instructions differ between agents on precisely this point. – Dr_Ilse_Vandenberg 9 months ago
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